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This is a common thing nowdays, lets get the facts right. [btw guys, I am not a user who posts on sunni forum, but I do read some post if it is beneficial, but this thread brought me here to give a reply of what is going wrong here]

First of all, internet is not a source for knowledge, this is a worst thinking a person can get, and thats where we muslims collide with problems, and are end up with leaving the truth, the light of guidance. If people want to seek knowledge, then go and sit under the feet of 'ulema and study, a person without a guidance will have a confused mind always, and I am writing this with my experience. To learn something you need a teacher, for example maths, algebra, a person who never saw algebra such as this equation x - 9 = 7, find the x. Now the person will stare and study by himself, then somehow he will find a solution, but the problem is that, can this type of way be applied in different questions for example quadratic equations? (sorry for writing maths, but this is a good example). A person needs to understand which knowledge applies where, but how? go to the teacher and learn. Same goes with learning knowledge of islam, go to 'ulema.

Moving on, just like the thread starter. You did not study under any 'ulema, as far by reading your message you are trying to put up, yes I know, how? because I have met with same people who faced same problem, and who ended the same place as you.

I am not going to go on and critisize your post, but I will pick some parts which seems wrong.

The biggest thorn for me has always been Islam's social engineering, its control over even the smallest aspects of human life. Its degradation of women into what Amnesty International calls 'perpetual minors'. Its unbridled, unabashed male chauvinism. Its outdated, retaliatory system of justice. Its denial of homosexuality as evil, and oppressive treatment of homosexuals. Its belief in magic and witchcraft. Its abhorrence to any foreign practice, even if it doesn't interfere with a Muslim's belief system. Its inherent opposition to democratic principles and freedom of expression. Its inability to allow Muslims to respectfully leave the faith for another belief system. Its intolerance for other belief systems in its midst. The various sects of Islam, all of whom try to outdo each other in their narrow-mindedness.

"Its abhorrence to any foreign practice, even if it doesn't interfere with a Muslim's belief system"

"Islam is easy to follow, but it is NOT a name of a desire" (keep these words runing in your head until you understand the "in-depth" meaning of this)

Islam is something like a package, it is not a toy to play around with. If you want to follow islam then follow islam, dont look here and there, like shaykh makki (masjid al haram) said, "abu jahal was better then you guys, if he wanted to be a kaffir then he stood kaffir, not like us today who look here and there, follow islam half, and half not" In this matter, I can say that you failed. A matter of fact its a truth.

Islam does not rule us, Islam does not need us, we need islam. People nowdays says "Islam needs help" what is islam need off? it is complete, its only a thing which we need to get in and adopt the truth.

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Now lets move further to your writing, you said islam teaches "degradation of women." Interesting...you are saying that you read and understood islam, but why is this coming in your mind? if you did then the answer should be infront of you? or is it you need someone to answer this?

here we go... "Islam gave women its due rights"

If you look back at history,
-In greek, male married male, women were hated, beaten, were toys, homosexuality was common.
-In times of roman, if a person made a mistake, the other person had a right to beat, rape or kill that person's wife.
-In Egyptian times, women were sign of devils
-In Pre-Islamic times, baby girls were buried alive.

Now when islam came, where did these practices go? magically vanished? or islam stood like a rock and gave an example to the creation of how a person should live?

once again, "Islam gave women its due rights"

I think its enough, go back and study the history then think again.

Now your next thing "Its outdated, retaliatory system of justice"

Wow, that is impressive. Can you give me some examples?

Can you simple give me a list of better justice then what islam teaches of?


"Its denial of homosexuality as evil, and oppressive treatment of homosexuals."

Islam gave respect and honor to humans, who are "ashraful makhlooq" the best of creation. Now if you want to talk logically, or lets say common way. Even animal don't do these acts of homosexuality, and you are saying that human should do this? disgusting, and I would say this is stupid thing.

Now, lets thing further in a common way. Lets talk about how harmful effects are heavier then its benefits :

"Among the evil consequences of this sin are the many deadly and contagious diseases that result from it. Some of these illnesses are such that medical science -- with all its might, power and advanced technology - has failed to combat or even fully comprehend, let alone cure it. Certainly no one is able to rise above the Will of Allah Ta'ala and escape his wrath!

Some of these fatal diseases are:

* AIDS: There is no cure for it. It is contracted and spread through unlawful sexual intercourse and perverted sexual acts like homosexuality.

* GONORRHEA: which causes inflammation of the testicles, blockage of the urethra, inflammation of the joints and sterility.

* SYPHILIS: This is a type of venereal disease commonly known among the Arabs as 'the English Disease' since its origin lies in European societies where free intermingling of the sexes and immorality is rife. It results in insanity, paralysis, blindness, and other nerve disorders. Also leads to blood vessel damage and death.

* GENITAL ULCERS: which causes inflammation of the lymphatic glands. It also gives rise to chronic festering of tumours, inflammation of the urethra, severe pain in the joints and swelling of the limbs.

* HEPATITIS B: Its symptoms include fever, fatigue, nausea and jaundice. It results in chronic hepatitis or liver cancer.

These are only a few of the many deadly diseases caused by perverted sexual behaviour. Could anyone ever desire contracting any of them?

May Allah Ta'ala protect all of us from all types of evil!" [source : ask Imam]


Now, if a father tells his son not to go in certain place because there are killers who will kill you, and the son is going, how will father treat? will he pat the son and say "well done..no problem..its okay...keep going.. e.t.c" or say something that will make the son not to do this wrong act?

you need to think. Also why would father be harsh? because the reason is simply he loves his son.

You wrote : "Its inability to allow Muslims to respectfully leave the faith for another belief system"

the answer is simply here, take your time to read this : http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...036f863ca05012


You wrote : "Its intolerance for other belief systems in its midst."

I dont need to write much on this, because simply reading this shows the ignorance and the lack of knowledge, rather the person is calling himself/herself to study islam properly, again go to 'ulema and study under their feet. I will leave out small message on this.
History witness itself the tolerance of other religion in islam, when Umar ibn khattab (ra) got the keys for jersulam, he gave right for other people to practice their own religion. You can study that in detail by yourself, you can also look upon this and help yourself : http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/207/

You wrote : "Its belief in magic and witchcraft"

I have been a victim of this, I swear by Allah (swt) that magic and witchcraft is real..real..real. Al hamdullillah by some pious people I was cured through the command of Allah (swt). This is a worse thing a person can think, people like you who sit in "safe heaven" have not seen the truth, just heard and said thats it.

I think I do not read to write too much, because of lack of knowledge, sitting on computer, going on wrong sites and reading wrong things, gaining wrong information e.t.c has all made the person who started this thread walk on the wrong path. You, (the thread starter) have not studied islam properly, if you had, I can swear by Allah (swt) you would have solved your answers by yourself, you have not even went to 'ulema's and studied under them, rather then opening the book yourself and confusing yourself. You need someone to guide you.


If anyone got offended, I apologize. Also due to lack of time I could not re-read what I wrote, and also I missed some of my parts in writing a full answer to this.

May Allah (swt) give hidaya to this ummah. "Ab runay kay siwa kiya kar saktay hay?" [Moulana khair muhammad makki (db) ]

You are welcome, go wonder around in blindness, when you find out that you made the wrong decision in your life, you went wrong way, then know that, the door of islam is open, the door of repentance is open. Until death overcomes, and the day of truth starts.