DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate - View Single Post

**dmitrynts** · 01-26-2012, 07:46 AM

Salam,
23:12
And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.

23:13
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

23:14
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

After this verses he told me the baby is created from 1 Spermatozoon. Not from a drop. The sperm-drop contain millions of spermatozoons. The sperm-drop does not become an embryo, the embryo is the union between an ovum and a spermatozoon. My friend also told me that the way an embryo is created according to quran is the same as Galen (a roman doctor) told it in one of his book.

Assalam alaikum

"Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest."
This statement is from Sura 23:13. The drop or nutfah has been interpreted as the sperm or the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest"). This interpretation is supported by another verse in the Qur'an which states that "a human being is created from a mixed drop." The zygote forms by the union of a mixture of the sperm and the ovum ("The mixed drop").

A human being develops from a single cell, the zygote, which forms when an ovum (Latin for egg) is fertilized by a sperm (Greek for seed). The Quran refers to this process as follows:

ثُمَّ جَعَلَ نَسْلَهُ مِن سُلَالَةٍ مِّن مَّاءٍ مَّهِينٍ
Surah 32, Ayah 8 "And made his progeny from the quintessence of a despised liquid"
http://quran.com/32/8

أَلَمْ يَكُ نُطْفَةً مِّن مَّنِيٍّ يُمْنَىٰ
Surah 75, Ayah 37 "Had he not been a sperm/nutfah from semen emitted??
http://quran.com/75/37

Indeed, We created man from a sperm-drop mixture/nutfah amshag/ that We may try him; and We made him hearing and seeing.
Surah 76, Ayah 2 "Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm"
http://quran.com/76/2

‏ "‏ مَا مِنْ كُلِّ الْمَاءِ يَكُونُ الْوَلَدُ وَإِذَا أَرَادَ اللَّهُ خَلْقَ شَىْءٍ لَمْ يَمْنَعْهُ شَىْءٌ ‏"‏
The child does not come from all the liquid (sermen) and when Allah intends to create anything nothing can prevent it (from coming into existence).
Sahih Muslim > The Book of Marriage - كتاب النكاح- Book 8, Hadith 3381

The above Ayat & hadeeth make it clear that the sperms are derived from a very small part of the fluid or the semen that is ejaculated from the penis. They are expelled from the urethra via the same route followed by the urine that is sometimes referred to as a "despised fluid." There are other references in the Quran to the origin of man from a small quantity of "mingled fluids", undoubtedly the male and female sexual secretions. The resulting mixture (drop) composed of the ovum and the penetrating sperm, becomes a zygote.

A popular idea in the 17th century among scientists was that sperm contained a miniature human being that simply enlarged inside the sperm. Another equally strong idea was that the ovum contained a miniature human being that was stimulated to grow by the semen. It was not until the 18th century that Spallanzani experimentally demonstrated that the initiation of development required sex products from male and female. From his experiments, including artificial insemination in dogs, he concluded that sperm was the fertilizing agent. The mixture of the male and female fluids was discovered recently though it was known in the Quran for fourteen centuries. There are some theories that the female fluid acts as an agent to prevent the rejection of the sperms, which are foreign bodies in the uterus.

In the following Ayah, more details are given about the staging process:

Surah 23, Ayah 12-14 "Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay), (Arabic, sulalah); Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm (Arabic, nutfah) in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood (Arabic, alakah); then of that clot We made a (fetus) lump (Arabic, mudgah); then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!"

This Ayah states that God made human from a drop into a thing that clings in the mother’s womb, then to a leech-like form that soon changed to a shape that looks like a piece of chewed gum. The "mudgah" then took the shape of bone and was clothed with flesh.

Man was created of Nutfah Amshaj [a union of (or mixed) sperm and ovum]. Nutfah in the Arabic language means a little water that ranges from one drop to a few drops. It is said: man natafa and yantuf natfan and natfatan, the meaning of which is water dripped from him after his ablution or wash. It is also said: The bucket natafat, meaning water dripped drop by drop. Nutfah is also a little pure water as much as the little water that remains in the bucket. It is also known as nutafa, its plural is nutaf which means also bucket. It is said also a natoof night, which means rainy; rained until morning.

Small pearls are called nutaf to liken them to water drops. Nutaf is used metaphorically to express generosity and good deeds. It is said: so and so is bountiful muntef i.e. he always does favors and yantufu with good deeds means that he does them continuously. Qur'an used the word nutfa to express the gamete being either a female ovum or a male sperm in twelve ayahs that can be translated as follows:

Read more here
http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/main.php?id=104 Read also:
Does the Qur'an Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embryology? from :
9. The Quran and the Ancient Greeks - A Comparison
http://www.quranicstudies.com/articl...yology.html#9a

Did the Prophet Muhammad Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embryology?
http://www.theinimitablequran.com/Di...Embryology.pdf

01-26-2012, 07:46 AM	#5
dmitrynts Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	Salam, 23:12 And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay. 23:13 Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging. 23:14 Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging. After this verses he told me the baby is created from 1 Spermatozoon. Not from a drop. The sperm-drop contain millions of spermatozoons. The sperm-drop does not become an embryo, the embryo is the union between an ovum and a spermatozoon. My friend also told me that the way an embryo is created according to quran is the same as Galen (a roman doctor) told it in one of his book. Assalam alaikum "Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest." This statement is from Sura 23:13. The drop or nutfah has been interpreted as the sperm or the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest"). This interpretation is supported by another verse in the Qur'an which states that "a human being is created from a mixed drop." The zygote forms by the union of a mixture of the sperm and the ovum ("The mixed drop"). A human being develops from a single cell, the zygote, which forms when an ovum (Latin for egg) is fertilized by a sperm (Greek for seed). The Quran refers to this process as follows: ثُمَّ جَعَلَ نَسْلَهُ مِن سُلَالَةٍ مِّن مَّاءٍ مَّهِينٍ Surah 32, Ayah 8 "And made his progeny from the quintessence of a despised liquid" http://quran.com/32/8 أَلَمْ يَكُ نُطْفَةً مِّن مَّنِيٍّ يُمْنَىٰ Surah 75, Ayah 37 "Had he not been a sperm/nutfah from semen emitted?? http://quran.com/75/37 Indeed, We created man from a sperm-drop mixture/nutfah amshag/ that We may try him; and We made him hearing and seeing. Surah 76, Ayah 2 "Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm" http://quran.com/76/2 ‏ "‏ مَا مِنْ كُلِّ الْمَاءِ يَكُونُ الْوَلَدُ وَإِذَا أَرَادَ اللَّهُ خَلْقَ شَىْءٍ لَمْ يَمْنَعْهُ شَىْءٌ ‏"‏ The child does not come from all the liquid (sermen) and when Allah intends to create anything nothing can prevent it (from coming into existence). Sahih Muslim > The Book of Marriage - كتاب النكاح- Book 8, Hadith 3381 The above Ayat & hadeeth make it clear that the sperms are derived from a very small part of the fluid or the semen that is ejaculated from the penis. They are expelled from the urethra via the same route followed by the urine that is sometimes referred to as a "despised fluid." There are other references in the Quran to the origin of man from a small quantity of "mingled fluids", undoubtedly the male and female sexual secretions. The resulting mixture (drop) composed of the ovum and the penetrating sperm, becomes a zygote. A popular idea in the 17th century among scientists was that sperm contained a miniature human being that simply enlarged inside the sperm. Another equally strong idea was that the ovum contained a miniature human being that was stimulated to grow by the semen. It was not until the 18th century that Spallanzani experimentally demonstrated that the initiation of development required sex products from male and female. From his experiments, including artificial insemination in dogs, he concluded that sperm was the fertilizing agent. The mixture of the male and female fluids was discovered recently though it was known in the Quran for fourteen centuries. There are some theories that the female fluid acts as an agent to prevent the rejection of the sperms, which are foreign bodies in the uterus. In the following Ayah, more details are given about the staging process: Surah 23, Ayah 12-14 "Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay), (Arabic, sulalah); Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm (Arabic, nutfah) in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood (Arabic, alakah); then of that clot We made a (fetus) lump (Arabic, mudgah); then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!" This Ayah states that God made human from a drop into a thing that clings in the mother’s womb, then to a leech-like form that soon changed to a shape that looks like a piece of chewed gum. The "mudgah" then took the shape of bone and was clothed with flesh. Man was created of Nutfah Amshaj [a union of (or mixed) sperm and ovum]. Nutfah in the Arabic language means a little water that ranges from one drop to a few drops. It is said: man natafa and yantuf natfan and natfatan, the meaning of which is water dripped from him after his ablution or wash. It is also said: The bucket natafat, meaning water dripped drop by drop. Nutfah is also a little pure water as much as the little water that remains in the bucket. It is also known as nutafa, its plural is nutaf which means also bucket. It is said also a natoof night, which means rainy; rained until morning. Small pearls are called nutaf to liken them to water drops. Nutaf is used metaphorically to express generosity and good deeds. It is said: so and so is bountiful muntef i.e. he always does favors and yantufu with good deeds means that he does them continuously. Qur'an used the word nutfa to express the gamete being either a female ovum or a male sperm in twelve ayahs that can be translated as follows: Read more here http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/main.php?id=104 Read also: Does the Qur'an Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embryology? from : 9. The Quran and the Ancient Greeks - A Comparison http://www.quranicstudies.com/articl...yology.html#9a Did the Prophet Muhammad Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embryology? http://www.theinimitablequran.com/Di...Embryology.pdf
	Quote