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**Mifsnavassy** · 01-17-2012, 06:00 PM

bro usama are you sure your not HT lol you sound just like them. You must have at least studied with them.

In answer toyour post, its a little bit too unrealistic. You need practical solutions. Ultimately the aim is to have on khilafah inshallah with all nationalitiesunder, but in the short term we need solutions to deal with our difficult circumstances. a united kurdistan that cooperates with other sunni muslim governments without feeling oppressed may be a good solution. In the time of the salaf, the ummah was divided into tribes. Each tribe had a leader i dont see a diference between that and having a kurdishpeople with an emir as part of a sunni bloc?

irans issue isnt nationalism its shiaism

My respected brother,
I responded to your inquiry with sincere advice to a fellow believer by chance that Allah would accept it as a humble attempt to serve Him.
I am not a HT member.
My devotion is to Allah and His Messenger (

). When they decide a matter, I have no say thereafter except to say "I hear and obey".

The Prophet (

) said (the meaning of which are) 'leave it [asabiyah], it is rotten" (Bukhari) and "whomever, calls for "asabiyah" is not from among us, whomever fights for asabiya is not from among us, whomever dies for asabiyah is not from among us."
And fuqaha have rightly interpretted that nationalism today, qaumiyah, is a contemporary manifestation of 'asabiyah' of the time of the Prophet (

).

And what does Islam say about splitting off from the main jama`ah?
Or what did Allah said about being divided?

"Hold fast all together to the Rope of Allah and be not divided and remember the blessings bestowed onto you: how when you were enemies he brought your hearts together so that through His blessing you became brethren; and you were on the brink of a fiery abyss! He saved you from it. In this way Allah makes clear His Message onto you, so that you might find guidance." 3:103 TMQ

Dear brother,
Our Ummah has been utterly decimated by our enemies in large part by the wahn of those who dominate/rule over us. And nationalism has been a manifestation of that evil such that every cruel and violent leader, lusting after power and wealth and brutally suppressing his rivals (from local chiefs, to amirs, to the Uthmani sultan), has sought some slice of land for himself, thinking he will be above others, but in reality has fallen and been outwitted or trapped by the enemies of Allah. As you imply "what is practical" should determine our actions, "what is practical" was set up as part of the plan of our enemies as they admit- they have always designed to split up the Muslim world into various segments and will likely continue to do so as long as they have the power to do so.

What is practical brother?
I am a poor, starving man with a wife and children. I would like a home with food and good things and a good job, but I prefer to break into my neighbor's home to take his food, hooking up lines to attach to his water source and electrical power, and even erect a fence on his property in which to raise my livestock because it's practical.

Or, I am a rich man who would like to do the right thing but my wealth dissipates so quickly. So while I believe in doing good, I invest in interest/rib`a portfolio of investments to generate wealth and growth from my riches because it's practical.

As for your points:
a colleague of mine mentioned recently a truth: every great leader no matter who he was had a plan. Planning is critical for success.
Can we agree on this?

Does Islam offer a plan to its own implementation? Or can we humans just determine our own plan?
Does Allah inform us of this or not? What does Allah say about planning?

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Mifsnavassy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	bro usama are you sure your not HT lol you sound just like them. You must have at least studied with them. In answer toyour post, its a little bit too unrealistic. You need practical solutions. Ultimately the aim is to have on khilafah inshallah with all nationalitiesunder, but in the short term we need solutions to deal with our difficult circumstances. a united kurdistan that cooperates with other sunni muslim governments without feeling oppressed may be a good solution. In the time of the salaf, the ummah was divided into tribes. Each tribe had a leader i dont see a diference between that and having a kurdishpeople with an emir as part of a sunni bloc? irans issue isnt nationalism its shiaism My respected brother, I responded to your inquiry with sincere advice to a fellow believer by chance that Allah would accept it as a humble attempt to serve Him. I am not a HT member. My devotion is to Allah and His Messenger (). When they decide a matter, I have no say thereafter except to say "I hear and obey". The Prophet () said (the meaning of which are) 'leave it [asabiyah], it is rotten" (Bukhari) and "whomever, calls for "asabiyah" is not from among us, whomever fights for asabiya is not from among us, whomever dies for asabiyah is not from among us." And fuqaha have rightly interpretted that nationalism today, qaumiyah, is a contemporary manifestation of 'asabiyah' of the time of the Prophet (). And what does Islam say about splitting off from the main jama`ah? Or what did Allah said about being divided? "Hold fast all together to the Rope of Allah and be not divided and remember the blessings bestowed onto you: how when you were enemies he brought your hearts together so that through His blessing you became brethren; and you were on the brink of a fiery abyss! He saved you from it. In this way Allah makes clear His Message onto you, so that you might find guidance." 3:103 TMQ Dear brother, Our Ummah has been utterly decimated by our enemies in large part by the wahn of those who dominate/rule over us. And nationalism has been a manifestation of that evil such that every cruel and violent leader, lusting after power and wealth and brutally suppressing his rivals (from local chiefs, to amirs, to the Uthmani sultan), has sought some slice of land for himself, thinking he will be above others, but in reality has fallen and been outwitted or trapped by the enemies of Allah. As you imply "what is practical" should determine our actions, "what is practical" was set up as part of the plan of our enemies as they admit- they have always designed to split up the Muslim world into various segments and will likely continue to do so as long as they have the power to do so. What is practical brother? I am a poor, starving man with a wife and children. I would like a home with food and good things and a good job, but I prefer to break into my neighbor's home to take his food, hooking up lines to attach to his water source and electrical power, and even erect a fence on his property in which to raise my livestock because it's practical. Or, I am a rich man who would like to do the right thing but my wealth dissipates so quickly. So while I believe in doing good, I invest in interest/rib`a portfolio of investments to generate wealth and growth from my riches because it's practical. As for your points: a colleague of mine mentioned recently a truth: every great leader no matter who he was had a plan. Planning is critical for success. Can we agree on this? Does Islam offer a plan to its own implementation? Or can we humans just determine our own plan? Does Allah inform us of this or not? What does Allah say about planning?
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