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**Caunnysup** · 12-31-2011, 08:53 PM

ws,
that is what i say as well.

and there were bid'ats in india too u know.maybe they started in order to eradicate that and saw that many actual and perceived bid'ats were done by hanafis. then they read the hanafi books with tinted lenses and got 'proof'. i dont really see how that has anything to do with the british.

anyhow, to each their own.

Yes, bid'aat have existed in India for a long time but they existed for a long time before the Ahle Hadees came into the picture. Righteous ulama of the past had been fighting bid'aat before the Ahle Hadees took to the stage. But, the reason that the Ahle Hadees attacked the Hanafis was not because some Hanafis were involved in bid'aat but because of Hanafis trying to follow a madhhab. It's as simple as that because many Ahle Hadees of Pakistan and India may be a little bit harsher than the Barelvis on bid'ah but they end up being harsh against the sunnah in their criticism of Hanafis due to their lack of knowledge. They mock positions held by a huge majority of Hanafis on various issues, such as folding the hands below the navel, not saying "Aameen" out loud - you would have even read this in the document posted in this thread, where Hanafis were likened to shayateen by misusing a hadeeth of Rasoolullah

and applying the faulty Ahle Hadees understanding of it to the Hanafis. Every righteous 'alim, whether Hanafi or Shafi'i or even Ahle Hadees would realize that bid'ah is evil and would attack it. But, the Ahle Hadees misconstrue the positions of the different madhahib that differ from their interpretation as being bid'ah and that is why they mock these positions.

I don't know if they were British agents or not, but I really think India/Pakistan would have fared better if this group did not exist. Same goes for Barelvis who not only created a separate group, but forbid jihad against British India (I don't know what the majority stance of the Ahle Hadees was with regards to jihad against the colonial British).

12-31-2011, 08:53 PM	#24
Caunnysup Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	ws, that is what i say as well. and there were bid'ats in india too u know.maybe they started in order to eradicate that and saw that many actual and perceived bid'ats were done by hanafis. then they read the hanafi books with tinted lenses and got 'proof'. i dont really see how that has anything to do with the british. anyhow, to each their own. Yes, bid'aat have existed in India for a long time but they existed for a long time before the Ahle Hadees came into the picture. Righteous ulama of the past had been fighting bid'aat before the Ahle Hadees took to the stage. But, the reason that the Ahle Hadees attacked the Hanafis was not because some Hanafis were involved in bid'aat but because of Hanafis trying to follow a madhhab. It's as simple as that because many Ahle Hadees of Pakistan and India may be a little bit harsher than the Barelvis on bid'ah but they end up being harsh against the sunnah in their criticism of Hanafis due to their lack of knowledge. They mock positions held by a huge majority of Hanafis on various issues, such as folding the hands below the navel, not saying "Aameen" out loud - you would have even read this in the document posted in this thread, where Hanafis were likened to shayateen by misusing a hadeeth of Rasoolullah and applying the faulty Ahle Hadees understanding of it to the Hanafis. Every righteous 'alim, whether Hanafi or Shafi'i or even Ahle Hadees would realize that bid'ah is evil and would attack it. But, the Ahle Hadees misconstrue the positions of the different madhahib that differ from their interpretation as being bid'ah and that is why they mock these positions. I don't know if they were British agents or not, but I really think India/Pakistan would have fared better if this group did not exist. Same goes for Barelvis who not only created a separate group, but forbid jihad against British India (I don't know what the majority stance of the Ahle Hadees was with regards to jihad against the colonial British).
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