[Narkeere]

As-Salam Alaykum.

Bismillah.

He created a country for Muslims. Enough said.

I don't care what vision he had for a Muslim country; we cannot keep demanding that everyone have the exact same views as we do. Sometimes people who have some flawed views end up doing great things. I know this example does not apply to you guys since you are Asharis/Maturidis yourself, but I can give the example of myself and Salah al-Deen [ra]. I could care less that he was an Ashari; the fact is that he did something for Islam that no Athari at that time did, and we love him for that...I'm not comparing the aqeedah of Salah al-Deen [ra] with Muhammad Ali Jinnah [ra], but I am saying that they both did a great service to the Muslim Ummah.

The fact is that the Muhammad Ali Jinnah [ra] allowed me to have my own country, distinct from the monkey and phallic worshiping Hindus. That to me is a great thing, and reason enough to pardon him for his faults. I am going to make 70 excuses for him no matter what.

Fi Aman Allah

I think you misunderstand me. I'm incredibly tolerant when it comes to other people's beliefs, whether Ahle-hadith or otherwise. My personal vendetta is against him .I think his motives for creating such as state were questionable & far from Islamic. Faroon raised The Prophet Musa doesn't make him good! When Allah excepts a good deed he looks at two thing his action and intention and only when the two are in conjugation He accepts the deed. If he had created Pakistan purely for the sake of Allah then I would have though otherwise about him, but everything I know about him suggests otherwise. Like I've stated before people can idol worship him all you like but he was a secularist and lead a far from Islamic lifestyle. Clearly peoples nationalistic tendencies corrupt their opinions on the subject matter and besides I'm kashmiri (azad kashmiri and happy to be a part of Pakistan) however we're still screwed both ways. I mean look how stupid these invisible boundaries known as borders are. If the Pathaans hadn't fought for our freedom then Kashmir would either have been and entirely different country or most probably a part of India, hence making me of Indian origin. I am not against the creation of Pakistan, but its just another irrelevant country in the greater world, besides I'm born and bred in the UK. You have a problem being raised amidst monkey worshiping Hindus, which I have no objections too& I entirely understand as its better to be in a predominantly Islamic environment, but I've been raised amongst materialistically commercial, capitalistic atheist and I'm fine Alhamdullilah. I'm anything but a nationalist and couldn't care less the country of my origin. I guess I am easily pleased but I'm Muslim and I'm fine with that. I have more in common with a practising Muslim from Ethiopia than I do with non-practising Muslims in Pakistan. This is just my philosophy and I can entirely understand your logic and why people think he was a good guy as he predominantly the founder of Pakistan, which is essence is an islamically good thing (for the people of Pakistan) and it greatly upsets me seeing the condition of Pakistan today. Lets also not forget that despite being a minority we muslims ruled over India, hence dispensing and implementing our laws over the country for many centuries. Anyways I'm far from accusing him of kufr as I don't know enough about his religious beliefs, Allah knows best in which the condition he passed away. Personally I pray that Allah gives hidayat to everyone and that no one dies without Imaan, I aint the condemning type!