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Old 01-10-2012, 07:44 PM   #21
wrefrinny

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brother,

From the outset, it seems that the dynamics of your and my Masjid are different.

First of all, the waqf get abused in daytime too, so what are you going to do now? Close the masjid during daytime? Also, books are taken away during prayer times too. And what would a homeless person searching for money do with books of hadith and qur'an? This is no argument.
I was informing you about people in general who stayed in the Masjid in the past, whether homeless or not.


You are stating yourself that they don't pray so what are they going to do with Islamic books? Besides, these books are taken away during daytime too simply because people do not understand the rulings of waqf or it is not mentioned clearly that books are supposed to stay in the mosque.
I was telling you about the unfortunate situation of random, continuous events from the Masjid in my locality. All actions that I mentioned were not necessarily carried out only by the homeless or the same person/people.

You would wonder about that (if one's not making salah why take Deeni books?) but it's a reality where I live. That behavior usually comes from those with drug addictions who'd barter anything, even if it may be things stolen from the best places on earth, to satisfy their drug addictions.

So yeah, unfortunately the Masajid here have to be locked even during the day time, in between salahs or when no activity is taking place.


About breaking down sadaqa boxes. You simply take the money outside before the night they sleep. SIMPLE.
We have done that and continue to do that till this day but you know what? This is around the 3rd or 4th time where the sadaqah box has been ripped off the Masjid wall or stolen. We recently had a welder make a sadaqah box that is screwed into the Masjid floor. So if anyone wanted to stoop so low to steal it they'd have to use a car to pull out the box from the Masjid.


I am not saying you are supposed to sleep everyone and making it a camping place. But brothers who even PRAYED salah with us are turned down!! And even if they do not pray, why not let brothers talk to them first about the importance of prayer? Why kick them out immediately? Also, most of the mosques have rooms NEAR the mosque, like classrooms. Even in such rooms they are not allowed to sleep, where nothing can happen and nothing can be stolen!

How is that possible? What kind of sick attitude can a Muslim have to tell him to go to the church or let him sleep on the streets in the cold?

Tell me HOW please.
...Yes, that is a clear cut problem. Turning Muslims away from the Masajid to Churches is just crazy. Plus if a person who is a regular musalli in the Masjid desires to make itikaaf or is in need of a place to stay, and the Masjid property has vacant rooms somewhere, then why not?

Trying to look at the issue objectively, I see two problems. One from the Masjid administration and the other from the Muslim community itself.

1.Many times administrations do not know how to handle these situations of Muslims in need or, similar to example you just gave, need to be removed from their positions of administration because the lack of fulfilling their Islamic responsibility.

2.The Muslim community giving more importance to their own property and belongings than to the houses of Allah or needy Muslims by not opening the doors to their own homes in the first place and not giving to those in need from their own possessions.
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