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**greekbeast** · 01-09-2012, 01:43 PM

I hereby declare that Shariah does not allow for selling of alcohol and selling of human body.
Oh, you were talking about gradual implementation? That is left as an exercise.
On the serious note I really do not know the solution to the ground reality. And I accept that the question can not be ignored because some decision has to be taken. They are taking some decisions and fingers can be pointed. So again I shall admit that armchair activism has its limitations and reality demands real actions and it is demanding right now. Like many of others, I fear it might be most of the others, I too came here to get an idea about the solution. The same question was debated by very knowledgeable brothers in the Ron Paul thread and my Friday forenoon has been eaten up by thread. There were lots of ideas exchanged but unfortunately I can not say that I came out with an answer to real life problems. May be we can change the questions. What should the Egyptians do? Who should the American Muslims vote for? How should the business and governance be conducted in UK?
Wassalam

Dear respected brother,
what else do we believers have except holding to the principles of the Deen of Allah?
This is what the Prophet (saaw) did in Makka- hold to the principle and integrity of Islam and work towards gaining full political authority, not partial, not shared power, so Sovereignty resides solely with Allah.
That meant no compromising, or partial implementation to satisfy the whims of our enemies.

Remember the request of the Quraishi leaders? Rule by Islam for a year, then rule by jahili for a year, or some variation?

TMQ 5:47-49:

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge/rule [fahkum] between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ. (48)

So judge/rule between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee. And if they turn away, then know that Allah's Will is to smite them for some sin of theirs. Lo! many of mankind are evil-livers. (49)

Those who hold the power in Muslim countries are enemies of Islam. They are evil-livers, hypocrites who's likeness is described here.

5:50-52
Is it a judgment of the time of (pagan) ignorance that they are seeking? Who is better than Allah for judgment to a people who have certainty (in their belief)? (50)
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (51)
And thou seest those in whose heart is a disease race toward them, saying: We fear lest a change of fortune befall us. And it may happen that Allah will vouchsafe (unto thee) the victory, or a commandment from His presence. Then will they repent them of their secret thoughts. (52)

In the end, the kufar WANT us to compromise so they can avoid submission to Allah, to avoid accountability for their deeds and to retain a degree of impunity and power. The secularists from our midsts cannot be trusted, as they are "diseased". They have no allegiance to us believers, and Allah has informed us of them.

Thus, having partial power is not sufficient, because it causes us to compromise Islam, to succumb to the same traps and dead-ends which the kufar have set up for the Mubaraks, the Ben Alis, the Asad's, et al.

There is no way to gradually reimplement Islam to the point of fulfilling our duty to Allah. There is no smooth gradual incline. The Prophet (saaw) exemplified the path as steep- 7 years of embargoes, 10 years of torture, murder, harassment, lies- the same if not more difficult than previous generations.

TTMQ27:2.3:
Do men imagine that they will be left (at ease) because they say, We believe, and will not be tested with affliction? (2)

Lo! We tested those who were before them. Thus Allah knoweth those who are sincere, and knoweth those who feign. (3)

01-09-2012, 01:43 PM	#38
greekbeast Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	I hereby declare that Shariah does not allow for selling of alcohol and selling of human body. Oh, you were talking about gradual implementation? That is left as an exercise. On the serious note I really do not know the solution to the ground reality. And I accept that the question can not be ignored because some decision has to be taken. They are taking some decisions and fingers can be pointed. So again I shall admit that armchair activism has its limitations and reality demands real actions and it is demanding right now. Like many of others, I fear it might be most of the others, I too came here to get an idea about the solution. The same question was debated by very knowledgeable brothers in the Ron Paul thread and my Friday forenoon has been eaten up by thread. There were lots of ideas exchanged but unfortunately I can not say that I came out with an answer to real life problems. May be we can change the questions. What should the Egyptians do? Who should the American Muslims vote for? How should the business and governance be conducted in UK? Wassalam Dear respected brother, what else do we believers have except holding to the principles of the Deen of Allah? This is what the Prophet (saaw) did in Makka- hold to the principle and integrity of Islam and work towards gaining full political authority, not partial, not shared power, so Sovereignty resides solely with Allah. That meant no compromising, or partial implementation to satisfy the whims of our enemies. Remember the request of the Quraishi leaders? Rule by Islam for a year, then rule by jahili for a year, or some variation? TMQ 5:47-49: And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge/rule [fahkum] between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ. (48) So judge/rule between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee. And if they turn away, then know that Allah's Will is to smite them for some sin of theirs. Lo! many of mankind are evil-livers. (49) Those who hold the power in Muslim countries are enemies of Islam. They are evil-livers, hypocrites who's likeness is described here. 5:50-52 Is it a judgment of the time of (pagan) ignorance that they are seeking? Who is better than Allah for judgment to a people who have certainty (in their belief)? (50) O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (51) And thou seest those in whose heart is a disease race toward them, saying: We fear lest a change of fortune befall us. And it may happen that Allah will vouchsafe (unto thee) the victory, or a commandment from His presence. Then will they repent them of their secret thoughts. (52) In the end, the kufar WANT us to compromise so they can avoid submission to Allah, to avoid accountability for their deeds and to retain a degree of impunity and power. The secularists from our midsts cannot be trusted, as they are "diseased". They have no allegiance to us believers, and Allah has informed us of them. Thus, having partial power is not sufficient, because it causes us to compromise Islam, to succumb to the same traps and dead-ends which the kufar have set up for the Mubaraks, the Ben Alis, the Asad's, et al. There is no way to gradually reimplement Islam to the point of fulfilling our duty to Allah. There is no smooth gradual incline. The Prophet (saaw) exemplified the path as steep- 7 years of embargoes, 10 years of torture, murder, harassment, lies- the same if not more difficult than previous generations. TTMQ27:2.3: Do men imagine that they will be left (at ease) because they say, We believe, and will not be tested with affliction? (2) Lo! We tested those who were before them. Thus Allah knoweth those who are sincere, and knoweth those who feign. (3)
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