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**22CreessGah** · 01-09-2012, 03:42 AM

ibn hazm said that is that abu bakr, omar, othman, sa'd ibn abi waqqas and talha planified to kill Rasul Allah (SAWAS) in Tabuk, and the isnad is sahih if we look the books of rijal.

And Ibn Qutaybah said that they killed muhsin (as) the son of Fatima (as) and Imam Ali (as) and they killed Fatima Az Zahra (as)

And they try to kill Imam Ali (as), abu bakr and omar said khalid ibn al walid to kill Imam Ali (as) in the history book it is written that it was "atwal salat as sobh"

al albany said that is sahih and there more hadith who said it. Ahmed ibn hanbal said that omar ibn al khattab after ghadir khum said "congratulation Ya Ali ibn abi Taleb, you are the master of mumin and muminat"

Wait, what? Didn't you just contradict yourself? Why would Umar

want to kill 'Ali

and at the same time, praise him as a master of the mu'minoon and mu'minaat?

Anyway, to Mr. Taqiyya:
You've hijacked this thread so continue your conversation elsewhere. Either make a new thread, or continue here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-Twelver-Shias

Abdulwahhab, don't waste your time with this guy. If someone purposely wants to lead themselves astray, let them do so until they gain a conscious and find the right path. There is truly no point in trying to debate as an equal with someone who hates many sahaba openly and attempts to tarnish the legacy of other sahaba by misappropriating their legacies. Until he and his cult fully recant these disgusting views and their pagan customs I would not put forth sincere arguments towards someone who is outside the fold of Islam.

The problem with ignoring people like these is that since these forums are public, Muslims who do not know about the kufr of the Shi'a will see his arguments as legitimate, even though they are baseless. For example, in his most recent post in this thread, he said that so and so said this and so and so said that - without any citation.

01-09-2012, 03:42 AM	#12
22CreessGah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	ibn hazm said that is that abu bakr, omar, othman, sa'd ibn abi waqqas and talha planified to kill Rasul Allah (SAWAS) in Tabuk, and the isnad is sahih if we look the books of rijal. And Ibn Qutaybah said that they killed muhsin (as) the son of Fatima (as) and Imam Ali (as) and they killed Fatima Az Zahra (as) And they try to kill Imam Ali (as), abu bakr and omar said khalid ibn al walid to kill Imam Ali (as) in the history book it is written that it was "atwal salat as sobh" al albany said that is sahih and there more hadith who said it. Ahmed ibn hanbal said that omar ibn al khattab after ghadir khum said "congratulation Ya Ali ibn abi Taleb, you are the master of mumin and muminat" Wait, what? Didn't you just contradict yourself? Why would Umar want to kill 'Ali and at the same time, praise him as a master of the mu'minoon and mu'minaat? Anyway, to Mr. Taqiyya: You've hijacked this thread so continue your conversation elsewhere. Either make a new thread, or continue here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-Twelver-Shias Abdulwahhab, don't waste your time with this guy. If someone purposely wants to lead themselves astray, let them do so until they gain a conscious and find the right path. There is truly no point in trying to debate as an equal with someone who hates many sahaba openly and attempts to tarnish the legacy of other sahaba by misappropriating their legacies. Until he and his cult fully recant these disgusting views and their pagan customs I would not put forth sincere arguments towards someone who is outside the fold of Islam. The problem with ignoring people like these is that since these forums are public, Muslims who do not know about the kufr of the Shi'a will see his arguments as legitimate, even though they are baseless. For example, in his most recent post in this thread, he said that so and so said this and so and so said that - without any citation.
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