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**duawLauff** · 01-05-2012, 09:30 PM

We Muslims do not need to learn from bloody israelis or americans. The reason the Muslims were a defeated Ummah is the lack of Taqwa and attachment of Dunya. Best example is Battle of Badr, the Mushriks had 1000 odd soldiers with the best of weapons and technology. But the Muslims were ill equipped and a little over 300 in number. We defeated them in a matter of hours.

Now, Allah has lightened [the hardship] for you, and He knows that among you is weakness.
So if there are from you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred.
And if there are among you a thousand, they will overcome two thousand by permission of Allah.
And Allah is with the steadfast. (Suratul Anfal: 66)

i partly agree and partly disagree

definitely allah isnt going to give us success in our current situation unless we rectify our taqwa, But we need to build means for war also in terms of military strategy, technology etc. OUr armies are lazy, if anyone read the article in full you will see that the syrians had some surface to air missiles that killed 48 of 50 israeli planes. israel needed to take these air defences out or risk an obsolete air force, rendering them severely vulnerable. so they planned for a whole year an attack on this 20 or so misile sites, simulating the attack with their planes, doing reconasiance etc. over this time, the syrian army chose to place themselves in valleys instead of on top of hills (the radars they use to detect planes dont pick up from far away in valleys, shortening your response time) and the reason for doing it in a valley is because they didnt want to dig toilets in the hill. rather than camoflage themselves they covered their statiosn with smoke, making them more visible. they didnt bother to move for months at a time. so israel went in and destoryed them and syria had no defences against israels air force.

the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam utilised the warfare of the persians when he saw they utilised trenches and it aided the muslims in battle so there is nothing wrong with us observing the western military and asking ourselves in a material sense how are they so powerfula nd hopw can we imporve our forces to match them. I do agree that total reliance on this is the other extreme as without taqwa our strategies will never work.

So a balance of means and reliance on Allah is whats needed. If you upset the balance in either direction you are destined to fail. The prophet never had a battle strategy of "trust in Allah" but he would always recognise that ultimately victory came from Allah

01-05-2012, 09:30 PM	#16
duawLauff Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 617 Senior Member	We Muslims do not need to learn from bloody israelis or americans. The reason the Muslims were a defeated Ummah is the lack of Taqwa and attachment of Dunya. Best example is Battle of Badr, the Mushriks had 1000 odd soldiers with the best of weapons and technology. But the Muslims were ill equipped and a little over 300 in number. We defeated them in a matter of hours. Now, Allah has lightened [the hardship] for you, and He knows that among you is weakness. So if there are from you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you a thousand, they will overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. And Allah is with the steadfast. (Suratul Anfal: 66) i partly agree and partly disagree definitely allah isnt going to give us success in our current situation unless we rectify our taqwa, But we need to build means for war also in terms of military strategy, technology etc. OUr armies are lazy, if anyone read the article in full you will see that the syrians had some surface to air missiles that killed 48 of 50 israeli planes. israel needed to take these air defences out or risk an obsolete air force, rendering them severely vulnerable. so they planned for a whole year an attack on this 20 or so misile sites, simulating the attack with their planes, doing reconasiance etc. over this time, the syrian army chose to place themselves in valleys instead of on top of hills (the radars they use to detect planes dont pick up from far away in valleys, shortening your response time) and the reason for doing it in a valley is because they didnt want to dig toilets in the hill. rather than camoflage themselves they covered their statiosn with smoke, making them more visible. they didnt bother to move for months at a time. so israel went in and destoryed them and syria had no defences against israels air force. the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam utilised the warfare of the persians when he saw they utilised trenches and it aided the muslims in battle so there is nothing wrong with us observing the western military and asking ourselves in a material sense how are they so powerfula nd hopw can we imporve our forces to match them. I do agree that total reliance on this is the other extreme as without taqwa our strategies will never work. So a balance of means and reliance on Allah is whats needed. If you upset the balance in either direction you are destined to fail. The prophet never had a battle strategy of "trust in Allah" but he would always recognise that ultimately victory came from Allah
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