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**BypeVupyide** · 12-29-2011, 05:00 AM

Shalom Aleikhom,

I cant help it if you have tuned your mind to be offended. Even then, I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

Let me summarize what I said in far more sugar coated vague terms that sell like hot cakes in the market:

1. As a muslim it is your responsibility to verify that you are being taught the correct things.
2. Do not blindly believe because God's deen has proof that you can establish by checking them out as much as it is humanly possible for you.
3. What God says is more important that what a human teacher may say, so always check if your teacher gives references and reasons with you.

Having said all that, I must tell you that I did not bad mouth all or any particular scholar that you or others revere. And when you talk about Islamic scholarship, please do take into consideration that they do not agree with each other on all aspects. That alone tells you that there is no need to glorify them to the level of "PERFECT". Opposing ideas are by definition witness to the fact that only one is right, not all.

It is always ok and very very good to consult the educated and learned people. But it is never OK to set them as partners to God. This is how most non-muslims remain non-muslims, because their scholars have studied for lifetime, so they can never be wrong !!!

The ayaats I quoted are not meaningless without context. They still stand as general rules. BLIND FOLLOWING is bad and one should not walk around with flags of a system that he/she himself does not understand. It makes you look stupid. This is what the extremists use to train terrorists, BLIND BELIEF, no place for QUESTIONING.

PEACE be on you

------------------------ Student of Allah

This is great advise if you follow it appropriately

Student of Allah
Selling like hot cake in the market statement befitts laymen. Pornography also sells but this doesn't make it right.
Ohh! Blind following. So we are suppose to follow our lack of scholarship. As for the statment of Quran so you are now a muffasir as well. Do you know of the hadith where Rasulalh saw advised against laymen trying to interpret quran. You know nothing about usul of Fiqh, Usul of Hadith, usul of Quran but your relative post modernist Nafsi interpretation. I actually know the people who coined the term blind following in early 80's. The biggest terrorist are the lamadhabist who prefers chaos over the scholastic tradition existed for 1400 years. go and study at the feet of a scholar before trying to sound intelgients. How odd your name also doesn't make sense. Becuase it is in Quran where we are commanded to go to learned and people in authority. This was understood by the Sahaba where they would refer to only hand ful of sahaba for knowledge. Then again the hotcake selling point perhaps would have resulted in flogging. So if there is hadith and its speculative meaning yeilds differing view, it is wrong. Mashallah! When the sahaba even at the time of Rasullah (SAW) differed, the likes of you is going to declare the shaba's view is wrong. Perhaps Naudubillah correct Rasullah SAW. Delusion of grander of post modernist ill learned muslims knows no bound.
Where are the moderators (the schoalrs)? It is too often people with no links to scholars expresses opinion in matters of complex branch of relegion and gives rise to the ruibida tendency.

Allahualam

Nomadic what is your opinion if she blindly follows any Shia, Batani, or Barelvi Mushrik, and don't ask any question, don't check any reference. There is an appropriate balance b/w asking a reference/resason, and following a scholar, esp. in Aqaaid and Principle Fiqah, the equilibrium is toward asking not toward following. At least before sticking to a scholar, you need to make sure the scholar is obeying apparent Quran wa Hadith.

And whatever you are doing, either following or asking, the ultimate goal is to follow Quran wa sunnat. not to follow the scholar!

12-29-2011, 05:00 AM	#18
BypeVupyide Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 410 Senior Member	Shalom Aleikhom, I cant help it if you have tuned your mind to be offended. Even then, I apologize if I hurt your feelings. Let me summarize what I said in far more sugar coated vague terms that sell like hot cakes in the market: 1. As a muslim it is your responsibility to verify that you are being taught the correct things. 2. Do not blindly believe because God's deen has proof that you can establish by checking them out as much as it is humanly possible for you. 3. What God says is more important that what a human teacher may say, so always check if your teacher gives references and reasons with you. Having said all that, I must tell you that I did not bad mouth all or any particular scholar that you or others revere. And when you talk about Islamic scholarship, please do take into consideration that they do not agree with each other on all aspects. That alone tells you that there is no need to glorify them to the level of "PERFECT". Opposing ideas are by definition witness to the fact that only one is right, not all. It is always ok and very very good to consult the educated and learned people. But it is never OK to set them as partners to God. This is how most non-muslims remain non-muslims, because their scholars have studied for lifetime, so they can never be wrong !!! The ayaats I quoted are not meaningless without context. They still stand as general rules. BLIND FOLLOWING is bad and one should not walk around with flags of a system that he/she himself does not understand. It makes you look stupid. This is what the extremists use to train terrorists, BLIND BELIEF, no place for QUESTIONING. PEACE be on you ------------------------ Student of Allah This is great advise if you follow it appropriately Student of Allah Selling like hot cake in the market statement befitts laymen. Pornography also sells but this doesn't make it right. Ohh! Blind following. So we are suppose to follow our lack of scholarship. As for the statment of Quran so you are now a muffasir as well. Do you know of the hadith where Rasulalh saw advised against laymen trying to interpret quran. You know nothing about usul of Fiqh, Usul of Hadith, usul of Quran but your relative post modernist Nafsi interpretation. I actually know the people who coined the term blind following in early 80's. The biggest terrorist are the lamadhabist who prefers chaos over the scholastic tradition existed for 1400 years. go and study at the feet of a scholar before trying to sound intelgients. How odd your name also doesn't make sense. Becuase it is in Quran where we are commanded to go to learned and people in authority. This was understood by the Sahaba where they would refer to only hand ful of sahaba for knowledge. Then again the hotcake selling point perhaps would have resulted in flogging. So if there is hadith and its speculative meaning yeilds differing view, it is wrong. Mashallah! When the sahaba even at the time of Rasullah (SAW) differed, the likes of you is going to declare the shaba's view is wrong. Perhaps Naudubillah correct Rasullah SAW. Delusion of grander of post modernist ill learned muslims knows no bound. Where are the moderators (the schoalrs)? It is too often people with no links to scholars expresses opinion in matters of complex branch of relegion and gives rise to the ruibida tendency. Allahualam Nomadic what is your opinion if she blindly follows any Shia, Batani, or Barelvi Mushrik, and don't ask any question, don't check any reference. There is an appropriate balance b/w asking a reference/resason, and following a scholar, esp. in Aqaaid and Principle Fiqah, the equilibrium is toward asking not toward following. At least before sticking to a scholar, you need to make sure the scholar is obeying apparent Quran wa Hadith. And whatever you are doing, either following or asking, the ultimate goal is to follow Quran wa sunnat. not to follow the scholar!
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