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**zueqhbyhp** · 01-05-2012, 06:02 PM

The First Paragraph
I have read the entirety of Hamza Andreas Tzortzis’ paper, Embryology in the Qur’an: A scientific-linguistic analysis of chapter 23: With responses to historical, scientific & popular contentions, all 58 pages of it (although, admittedly, it does use very large print). It is quite possibly the most overwrought, absurdly contrived, pretentious expansion of feeble post hoc rationalizations I’ve ever read. As an exercise in agonizing data fitting, it’s a masterpiece. Clearly PZM was not satisfied with the polemic in the title. Here are more epithets.
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Overwrought

adjective

(1) in a state of nervous excitement or anxiety:

she was too overwrought to listen to reason

(2) (of a piece of writing or a work of art) too elaborate or complicated in design or construction:

a pseudo-Gothic church far too overwrought for such a small town overwrought prose
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Absurd
adjective

wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate: the allegations are patently absurd
arousing amusement or derision; ridiculous:

short skirts and knee socks looked absurd on such a tall girl

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Contrived
adjective

deliberately created rather than arising naturally or spontaneously.
created or arranged in a way that seems artificial and unrealistic:

the ending of the novel is too pat and contrived

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pretentious

adjective

attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed:

pretentious art films the pretentious jargon of wine experts

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post hoc rationalization

This will mean that an attempt is being made to justify something that was not meant to be serious in the first place.
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Christopher Hitchens, who expired last month, got this remark from somebody that words simply fell out with ease to serve his purpose. Clearly even in the vocal west this facility with the words is a fascinating ability. In the present case we have got another similar vocal person whose efforts are directed against Islam. To be fare, like the other person, he too has got a series of other pet peeves. Unlike Hitchens here the insults are more of linguistic or temperamental work outs rather than being any attempt to describe the reality. Indeed more epithets follow in the rest of the rejoinder. Now one could be curious about this excessive use of epithets. Is it to cover the lack of confidence in his ideas? Is it merely the bad American etiquette? Is it sign of Islamophobia? It may never be determined except for the fact that the argument is intemperate particularly for a provocation that is dry as an academic is supposed to be.

When he says :
As an exercise in agonizing data fitting, it’s a masterpiece. then also he is indulging in a back handed complement not realizing that he ends up in giving a real complement. This is a pitfall of excessive negativity - an even number of negations end up in a complement.

And when he says that:
I have read the entirety of Hamza Andreas Tzortzis’ paper, ..., all 58 pages of it ... then this too has to be taken as a complement. Reason is that Muslims are taken to be scientifically illiterate and hence anything written by them is not to be taken seriously. Myers is playing to this gallery but this is also the opportunity to call his bluff. No wonder when Hamza Tzortzis came to this response he had his field day. The reason is the very same assumption - oh these Muslims know nothing. In all probability Myers readers will not be in a hurry to read brother Hamzah's article - hasn't the presiding deity done the reading already?

01-05-2012, 06:02 PM	#5
zueqhbyhp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	The First Paragraph I have read the entirety of Hamza Andreas Tzortzis’ paper, Embryology in the Qur’an: A scientific-linguistic analysis of chapter 23: With responses to historical, scientific & popular contentions, all 58 pages of it (although, admittedly, it does use very large print). It is quite possibly the most overwrought, absurdly contrived, pretentious expansion of feeble post hoc rationalizations I’ve ever read. As an exercise in agonizing data fitting, it’s a masterpiece. Clearly PZM was not satisfied with the polemic in the title. Here are more epithets. ************* Overwrought adjective (1) in a state of nervous excitement or anxiety: she was too overwrought to listen to reason (2) (of a piece of writing or a work of art) too elaborate or complicated in design or construction: a pseudo-Gothic church far too overwrought for such a small town overwrought prose ************* Absurd adjective wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate: the allegations are patently absurd arousing amusement or derision; ridiculous: short skirts and knee socks looked absurd on such a tall girl ************* Contrived adjective deliberately created rather than arising naturally or spontaneously. created or arranged in a way that seems artificial and unrealistic: the ending of the novel is too pat and contrived ************** pretentious adjective attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed: pretentious art films the pretentious jargon of wine experts ************ post hoc rationalization This will mean that an attempt is being made to justify something that was not meant to be serious in the first place. ************ Christopher Hitchens, who expired last month, got this remark from somebody that words simply fell out with ease to serve his purpose. Clearly even in the vocal west this facility with the words is a fascinating ability. In the present case we have got another similar vocal person whose efforts are directed against Islam. To be fare, like the other person, he too has got a series of other pet peeves. Unlike Hitchens here the insults are more of linguistic or temperamental work outs rather than being any attempt to describe the reality. Indeed more epithets follow in the rest of the rejoinder. Now one could be curious about this excessive use of epithets. Is it to cover the lack of confidence in his ideas? Is it merely the bad American etiquette? Is it sign of Islamophobia? It may never be determined except for the fact that the argument is intemperate particularly for a provocation that is dry as an academic is supposed to be. When he says : As an exercise in agonizing data fitting, it’s a masterpiece. then also he is indulging in a back handed complement not realizing that he ends up in giving a real complement. This is a pitfall of excessive negativity - an even number of negations end up in a complement. And when he says that: I have read the entirety of Hamza Andreas Tzortzis’ paper, ..., all 58 pages of it ... then this too has to be taken as a complement. Reason is that Muslims are taken to be scientifically illiterate and hence anything written by them is not to be taken seriously. Myers is playing to this gallery but this is also the opportunity to call his bluff. No wonder when Hamza Tzortzis came to this response he had his field day. The reason is the very same assumption - oh these Muslims know nothing. In all probability Myers readers will not be in a hurry to read brother Hamzah's article - hasn't the presiding deity done the reading already?
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