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**Belindanan** · 01-06-2012, 06:39 AM

its not about if its easy or hard to say, its about the reason Allah has bestowed this destruction upon us. Or perhaps you think our destruction is purely because of the kuffar and munafiqeen and has nothing to do with Allahs qadr?

No, Allah's Qadr is not 'put aside' by anything else. Kuffar and munafiqeen do not have the 'power' to 'subvert' Allah's Qadr- nothing does. If I thought that, I would be a mushrik.

But this argument essentially lets off rulers by way of the same argument that the Arab pagans used - If Allah had willed, we would not have committed shirk! Or, in this case, if Allah had willed, Hafez al-Asad would not have pulled out fingernails and flay alive, and King Abdullah having people chained in ankle chains and beaten by thugs and dhalimun, and Mubarak would not have tortured detainees for the USA...

But none of that is an excuse...

01-06-2012, 06:39 AM	#7
Belindanan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	its not about if its easy or hard to say, its about the reason Allah has bestowed this destruction upon us. Or perhaps you think our destruction is purely because of the kuffar and munafiqeen and has nothing to do with Allahs qadr? No, Allah's Qadr is not 'put aside' by anything else. Kuffar and munafiqeen do not have the 'power' to 'subvert' Allah's Qadr- nothing does. If I thought that, I would be a mushrik. But this argument essentially lets off rulers by way of the same argument that the Arab pagans used - If Allah had willed, we would not have committed shirk! Or, in this case, if Allah had willed, Hafez al-Asad would not have pulled out fingernails and flay alive, and King Abdullah having people chained in ankle chains and beaten by thugs and dhalimun, and Mubarak would not have tortured detainees for the USA... But none of that is an excuse...
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