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**SkHukV3N** · 01-05-2012, 08:33 PM

dawaheed,

We have received the ahadith through the same channels that we have received the Quran. For any documents that have reached us from ancient times, we rely on the trustworthiness of the people who have narrated them to us. If we adopt the attitude that everything that we don't have original copies of right in front of our eyes is suspect, then how do you know that the entire Quran has reached us? How do you know that verses weren't lost? The Quran itself was not compiled until after the Prophet's death. None of us were there 15 centuries ago. But both the Quran and ahadith began to be compiled within the 1st century hijri, and we have no choice but to rely on those ancient people who took that burden upon themselves so that the Quran and sunnah would be preserved for you and me. This is why the ulemaa developed ilm ulrijaal, and why they probably threw out many ahadith that were actually said by the Prophet, because better to lose a real one than to keep a fake one.

If you say the Quran has "always made sense" to you, then what about surah aal Imran...in there, the Quran itself tells us that it contains certain ayaat which are mutashabihaat- whose meaning is known only by Allah. So in the Quran itself there are ayaat which we can never truly comprehend. Nevertheless, Allah revealed them to us and we accept it. So why can we not accept ahadith that are perhaps beyond our understanding?

I didn't get a chance to see your original posts, but if there are ahadith that you find illogical, I think you should create a separate thread and pose your objections and ask for explanations of them. You might be surprised at an explanation you never thought of before. As for the hadith in question here, I don't think the Prophet

by this statement is placing himself "above God and the Quran". One small example: the Quran orders us to pray, but doesn't say how. So the Prophet's instructing us on how to pray, is just as important, isn't it? Therefore the hadith makes perfect sense. Allah said in the quran, ma yantiqu anil hawa in huwa illaa wahyun yuhaa: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...697&Itemid=109

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SkHukV3N Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 455 Senior Member	dawaheed, We have received the ahadith through the same channels that we have received the Quran. For any documents that have reached us from ancient times, we rely on the trustworthiness of the people who have narrated them to us. If we adopt the attitude that everything that we don't have original copies of right in front of our eyes is suspect, then how do you know that the entire Quran has reached us? How do you know that verses weren't lost? The Quran itself was not compiled until after the Prophet's death. None of us were there 15 centuries ago. But both the Quran and ahadith began to be compiled within the 1st century hijri, and we have no choice but to rely on those ancient people who took that burden upon themselves so that the Quran and sunnah would be preserved for you and me. This is why the ulemaa developed ilm ulrijaal, and why they probably threw out many ahadith that were actually said by the Prophet, because better to lose a real one than to keep a fake one. If you say the Quran has "always made sense" to you, then what about surah aal Imran...in there, the Quran itself tells us that it contains certain ayaat which are mutashabihaat- whose meaning is known only by Allah. So in the Quran itself there are ayaat which we can never truly comprehend. Nevertheless, Allah revealed them to us and we accept it. So why can we not accept ahadith that are perhaps beyond our understanding? I didn't get a chance to see your original posts, but if there are ahadith that you find illogical, I think you should create a separate thread and pose your objections and ask for explanations of them. You might be surprised at an explanation you never thought of before. As for the hadith in question here, I don't think the Prophet by this statement is placing himself "above God and the Quran". One small example: the Quran orders us to pray, but doesn't say how. So the Prophet's instructing us on how to pray, is just as important, isn't it? Therefore the hadith makes perfect sense. Allah said in the quran, ma yantiqu anil hawa in huwa illaa wahyun yuhaa: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...697&Itemid=109
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