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**exiceJetLip** · 12-28-2011, 06:36 PM

guys.

First of all, a brief reminder, it's dangerous to speculate and start taking that speculation as "facts". Please don't make it a culture to speculate and make open blanket statements without studying the matter first. That's not what the Prophet taught us.

Hindu and polytheists are many in Malaysia not because sahaba didn't conquer the place to spread Islam. Hindu and polytheists are many in Malaysia because they were brought in by the British colonialist in the 1900s. Indeed, Hindu and polytheists were majority in the peninsular during 1940s before Japanese conquered the land from British. Only after that Muslims started becoming majority again.

Indonesia was the major land for Hindus since eon agos. That's why the largest (or one of the top 5 largest) temple is in Java Island. And Hindu still is prevalent in especially Bali Island. But majority of the land was converted into Islam with da'wa lead by Muslims from Yemen.

Regarrding Shafi'i in Malaysia, the lifestyle is "dilluted" through British based education system. However there are efforts to revive the madrasa school system again (quite a number of new madrasas are already in operation). Indeed, if you study the history of the area, during the 1800s till 1940s, there were a few ulama who were quite famous from the area, mostly from Pattani area (Southern Thailand where the Muslims are waging jihad there to liberate the land and to apply sharia law).

There is nothing wrong with speculation if it doesn't lead to lamenting the past - as what has happened was what was meant to happen by the qadr of Allah

. But, we have to look back at history to learn from it and to better ourselves. Everything is from Allah

but we have to make the correct effort.

It does require noting that there were no polytheists in the Arabian peninsula, as well as northern Africa. Even in Iran, Zoroastrianism became a tiny speck of its former glory, with many Zoroastrians actually fleeing to Hindu India when the Muslims arrived during the time of the sahaba

. The Qur'an gave an ultimatum to the non-Muslim mushrikeen of Arabia - become a Muslim or leave your land. We see the result with the lack of these polytheists after the Muslims conquered Arabia, northern Africa, and Persia. On the other hand, when the time for conquest of India came, no such ultimatum was given to the Hindus. Over time, Muslims and Hindus blended with each other, with only the righteous ulama staunchly adhering to the sunnah and the evil people adopting personalities that nowadays both Hindus and Muslims seek shafa'a from by visiting their shrines (e.g. Sai Baba). Even Sikhism came about because of this intermingling.

So, we can easily take a lesson from this.

12-28-2011, 06:36 PM	#33
exiceJetLip Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	guys. First of all, a brief reminder, it's dangerous to speculate and start taking that speculation as "facts". Please don't make it a culture to speculate and make open blanket statements without studying the matter first. That's not what the Prophet taught us. Hindu and polytheists are many in Malaysia not because sahaba didn't conquer the place to spread Islam. Hindu and polytheists are many in Malaysia because they were brought in by the British colonialist in the 1900s. Indeed, Hindu and polytheists were majority in the peninsular during 1940s before Japanese conquered the land from British. Only after that Muslims started becoming majority again. Indonesia was the major land for Hindus since eon agos. That's why the largest (or one of the top 5 largest) temple is in Java Island. And Hindu still is prevalent in especially Bali Island. But majority of the land was converted into Islam with da'wa lead by Muslims from Yemen. Regarrding Shafi'i in Malaysia, the lifestyle is "dilluted" through British based education system. However there are efforts to revive the madrasa school system again (quite a number of new madrasas are already in operation). Indeed, if you study the history of the area, during the 1800s till 1940s, there were a few ulama who were quite famous from the area, mostly from Pattani area (Southern Thailand where the Muslims are waging jihad there to liberate the land and to apply sharia law). There is nothing wrong with speculation if it doesn't lead to lamenting the past - as what has happened was what was meant to happen by the qadr of Allah . But, we have to look back at history to learn from it and to better ourselves. Everything is from Allah but we have to make the correct effort. It does require noting that there were no polytheists in the Arabian peninsula, as well as northern Africa. Even in Iran, Zoroastrianism became a tiny speck of its former glory, with many Zoroastrians actually fleeing to Hindu India when the Muslims arrived during the time of the sahaba . The Qur'an gave an ultimatum to the non-Muslim mushrikeen of Arabia - become a Muslim or leave your land. We see the result with the lack of these polytheists after the Muslims conquered Arabia, northern Africa, and Persia. On the other hand, when the time for conquest of India came, no such ultimatum was given to the Hindus. Over time, Muslims and Hindus blended with each other, with only the righteous ulama staunchly adhering to the sunnah and the evil people adopting personalities that nowadays both Hindus and Muslims seek shafa'a from by visiting their shrines (e.g. Sai Baba). Even Sikhism came about because of this intermingling. So, we can easily take a lesson from this.
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