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**effebrala** · 12-28-2011, 08:07 PM

There is nothing wrong with speculation if it doesn't lead to lamenting the past - as what has happened was what was meant to happen by the qadr of Allah . But, we have to look back at history to learn from it and to better ourselves. Everything is from Allah but we have to make the correct effort.

It does require noting that there were no polytheists in the Arabian peninsula, as well as northern Africa. Even in Iran, Zoroastrianism became a tiny speck of its former glory, with many Zoroastrians actually fleeing to Hindu India when the Muslims arrived during the time of the sahaba . The Qur'an gave an ultimatum to the non-Muslim mushrikeen of Arabia - become a Muslim or leave your land. We see the result with the lack of these polytheists after the Muslims conquered Arabia, northern Africa, and Persia. On the other hand, when the time for conquest of India came, no such ultimatum was given to the Hindus. Over time, Muslims and Hindus blended with each other, with only the righteous ulama staunchly adhering to the sunnah and the evil people adopting personalities that nowadays both Hindus and Muslims seek shafa'a from by visiting their shrines (e.g. Sai Baba). Even Sikhism came about because of this intermingling.

So, we can easily take a lesson from this.

When it's wrong, it still is wrong. Two wrongs won't make a right. The Prophet

never taught us to speculate on things we don't know.

What's bad about speculation is;
- It's not based on the truth. Therefore, what could be possibly gained from made up event or a speculation from a person who doesnt't have the knowledge about the real circumstances? And I mean this about any event at all, not just about what you wrote earlier. We've had many good beautiful stories about the Prophet

which turned out that there was no source to back it up at all. This is something we should avoid as the akhlaq of the Prophet

is above any standard we've seen and there's no need to "spice it up" with beautiful stories, even if someone did it for a good cause. We Muslims stand for the haqq, and there should be no compromise in it, and we never take the route of "the end justifying the means". We should and must stick to what the Prophet

has taught us all.

- Speculations tend to overlook the hard facts available. It's not the characteristic of a good Muslim to speculate on stuffs we don't know. Otherwise it'll be open ended. Just imagine what if every one starts "speculating" without checking the hard facts? Would you do da'wa this way?

- Regardless of what happened to sikh and some of the former Muslims who traded/blended their faith with other faiths in the sub-continent, that events can't be used as a yardstick to generalize as if the same thing happened to the Muslims from other far away places from the Arabian Peninsular. If that's the case, then would you speculate about "the blending" of the Islamic faiths with other faiths of our brothers in Chechen, Xinjiang, Gansu, and Ningxia in China, and other parts of the world? Or are you gonna use the same yardstick to judge our brothers who live in the West? Moreover, the West tend to have more colorful "cultural transitions/events" in the history compared to other places.

- Have you contacted any local Muslims from the area you mentioned before to know what's exactly the status of the efforts to bring back sharia law and to move the majority Muslims towards the goal of united under one caliphate should the time come? And I mean this not just for Indonesia/Malaysia area, but any regions that we have no knowledge at all. That should be something that we must base our initial assesment on.

We should stop giving excuses to the wrong things. Haqq is haqq, and there's no compromise in that. Otherwise haqq will be dilluted, and will not be pure anymore. Since we all strive to bring haqq to ourselves and the surrounding around us, therefore we should also not be "dilluted" with mere speculations in our thoughts.

12-28-2011, 08:07 PM	#37
effebrala Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 594 Senior Member	There is nothing wrong with speculation if it doesn't lead to lamenting the past - as what has happened was what was meant to happen by the qadr of Allah . But, we have to look back at history to learn from it and to better ourselves. Everything is from Allah but we have to make the correct effort. It does require noting that there were no polytheists in the Arabian peninsula, as well as northern Africa. Even in Iran, Zoroastrianism became a tiny speck of its former glory, with many Zoroastrians actually fleeing to Hindu India when the Muslims arrived during the time of the sahaba . The Qur'an gave an ultimatum to the non-Muslim mushrikeen of Arabia - become a Muslim or leave your land. We see the result with the lack of these polytheists after the Muslims conquered Arabia, northern Africa, and Persia. On the other hand, when the time for conquest of India came, no such ultimatum was given to the Hindus. Over time, Muslims and Hindus blended with each other, with only the righteous ulama staunchly adhering to the sunnah and the evil people adopting personalities that nowadays both Hindus and Muslims seek shafa'a from by visiting their shrines (e.g. Sai Baba). Even Sikhism came about because of this intermingling. So, we can easily take a lesson from this. When it's wrong, it still is wrong. Two wrongs won't make a right. The Prophet never taught us to speculate on things we don't know. What's bad about speculation is; - It's not based on the truth. Therefore, what could be possibly gained from made up event or a speculation from a person who doesnt't have the knowledge about the real circumstances? And I mean this about any event at all, not just about what you wrote earlier. We've had many good beautiful stories about the Prophet which turned out that there was no source to back it up at all. This is something we should avoid as the akhlaq of the Prophet is above any standard we've seen and there's no need to "spice it up" with beautiful stories, even if someone did it for a good cause. We Muslims stand for the haqq, and there should be no compromise in it, and we never take the route of "the end justifying the means". We should and must stick to what the Prophet has taught us all. - Speculations tend to overlook the hard facts available. It's not the characteristic of a good Muslim to speculate on stuffs we don't know. Otherwise it'll be open ended. Just imagine what if every one starts "speculating" without checking the hard facts? Would you do da'wa this way? - Regardless of what happened to sikh and some of the former Muslims who traded/blended their faith with other faiths in the sub-continent, that events can't be used as a yardstick to generalize as if the same thing happened to the Muslims from other far away places from the Arabian Peninsular. If that's the case, then would you speculate about "the blending" of the Islamic faiths with other faiths of our brothers in Chechen, Xinjiang, Gansu, and Ningxia in China, and other parts of the world? Or are you gonna use the same yardstick to judge our brothers who live in the West? Moreover, the West tend to have more colorful "cultural transitions/events" in the history compared to other places. - Have you contacted any local Muslims from the area you mentioned before to know what's exactly the status of the efforts to bring back sharia law and to move the majority Muslims towards the goal of united under one caliphate should the time come? And I mean this not just for Indonesia/Malaysia area, but any regions that we have no knowledge at all. That should be something that we must base our initial assesment on. We should stop giving excuses to the wrong things. Haqq is haqq, and there's no compromise in that. Otherwise haqq will be dilluted, and will not be pure anymore. Since we all strive to bring haqq to ourselves and the surrounding around us, therefore we should also not be "dilluted" with mere speculations in our thoughts.
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