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**gariharrr** · 12-30-2011, 09:50 PM

Yes, Imam Malik (ra) used to give the Amal of the people of Madinah of His period more importance than 'Ahad' hadith(which has only a single sanad), even if it was Sahih. You think Imam Malik (ra) doesn't respect Hadith? Do you know Imam Malik (ra) used to relate hadith only while he was in Wudu. He used to sit on a throne like chair to relate Hadith of the Prophet , He did Not use horses while he was in Madina because he respected the blessed body of Rasoolullah which is in Madina.

Are you saying this person who revered hadith so much doesn't know what he is doing when at times he preferred the amaal of the people of Madina in his time. There isn't a single person alive today who has the intellect and the knowledge of Imam Malik (ra), and you think you know better. Brother don't be deluded. Don't listen to Shaytaan's whispers.

P.s. Now You might mention Imam Shafi'i didn't agree with Imam Malik(ra). Well Imam Shafi'i is also a Mujdthahid, He has the ability to exercise Ijtihad. Such type of 'valid' Ikhtilaaf is permitted, go refer the hadith of banu qurayza. If you want to create fitnah and doubt among innocent Muslims, please go elsewhere. Ithaqullah.

Brother amr123

OK, i didn't mentioned any name of honorable Imams. Let me share with u what i read about Imam Malik(ra). Taken from a Research paper.

Thereafter, al Imam al Shafi'i travelled to Egypt where he found that most of the people adhered strictly and unquestioningly to the opinions of Malik. Consequently, al Imam al Shafi'i began a critical analysis of Malik's legal opinions, and found that in some cases, "...he (Malik) formulates opinions on the basis of a general principle, while ignoring the specific issue; whereas at other times he gives a ruling on a specific issue and ignores the general principle."

Al Imam al Shafi'i also found that Malik sometimes rejected a sound Hadith in favour of a statement made by one of the Sahabah or the Tabi'un, or in preference to his own reasoning. Sometimes, al Imam al Shafi'i discovered, Malik rejected the statement of one of the Sahabah in favour of the opinion of a Tabi'i, or his own personal opinion; and that he would do this in individual cases, and in extrapolating legal details, without taking general principles into account. Moreover, Malik claimed in many cases that there was Ijma' concerning the matter, when there was, in fact, disagreement about it.

Al Imam al Shafi'i also found that Malik's opinion that the Ijma' of the people of Madinah could be treated as source-evidence was, in fact, not very strong. He wrote a book entitled Al Ikhtilaf Ma'a Malik "Disagreement with Malik; in which he dealt with all of the matters mentioned above.47

Brother i was talking about Systems that developed after their death. They didn't ordered people to make such Systems and make boundaries to follow sunnah.
Following hadith is an example from Muwatta Imam Malik. There is clear hadith from our prophet to fold hand during salat and Imam malik also recorded it.

Malik :: Book 9 : Hadith 9.15.50
Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu Hazim ibn Dinar that Sahl ibn Sad said, "People used to be ordered to place their right hands on their left forearms in the prayer."

Abu Hazim added, "I know for sure that Sahl traces that back to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace."

Now what is the reason now a day follower of Imam Malik not following this hadith?

I have a very important question to u. U already denied to answer of my 2 questions. No this no 3.

Verdict of Imam Shafi is only for Shafi follower or for Ummah?

U answer is very important.

12-30-2011, 09:50 PM	#28
gariharrr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 775 Senior Member	Yes, Imam Malik (ra) used to give the Amal of the people of Madinah of His period more importance than 'Ahad' hadith(which has only a single sanad), even if it was Sahih. You think Imam Malik (ra) doesn't respect Hadith? Do you know Imam Malik (ra) used to relate hadith only while he was in Wudu. He used to sit on a throne like chair to relate Hadith of the Prophet , He did Not use horses while he was in Madina because he respected the blessed body of Rasoolullah which is in Madina. Are you saying this person who revered hadith so much doesn't know what he is doing when at times he preferred the amaal of the people of Madina in his time. There isn't a single person alive today who has the intellect and the knowledge of Imam Malik (ra), and you think you know better. Brother don't be deluded. Don't listen to Shaytaan's whispers. P.s. Now You might mention Imam Shafi'i didn't agree with Imam Malik(ra). Well Imam Shafi'i is also a Mujdthahid, He has the ability to exercise Ijtihad. Such type of 'valid' Ikhtilaaf is permitted, go refer the hadith of banu qurayza. If you want to create fitnah and doubt among innocent Muslims, please go elsewhere. Ithaqullah. Brother amr123 OK, i didn't mentioned any name of honorable Imams. Let me share with u what i read about Imam Malik(ra). Taken from a Research paper. Thereafter, al Imam al Shafi'i travelled to Egypt where he found that most of the people adhered strictly and unquestioningly to the opinions of Malik. Consequently, al Imam al Shafi'i began a critical analysis of Malik's legal opinions, and found that in some cases, "...he (Malik) formulates opinions on the basis of a general principle, while ignoring the specific issue; whereas at other times he gives a ruling on a specific issue and ignores the general principle." Al Imam al Shafi'i also found that Malik sometimes rejected a sound Hadith in favour of a statement made by one of the Sahabah or the Tabi'un, or in preference to his own reasoning. Sometimes, al Imam al Shafi'i discovered, Malik rejected the statement of one of the Sahabah in favour of the opinion of a Tabi'i, or his own personal opinion; and that he would do this in individual cases, and in extrapolating legal details, without taking general principles into account. Moreover, Malik claimed in many cases that there was Ijma' concerning the matter, when there was, in fact, disagreement about it. Al Imam al Shafi'i also found that Malik's opinion that the Ijma' of the people of Madinah could be treated as source-evidence was, in fact, not very strong. He wrote a book entitled Al Ikhtilaf Ma'a Malik "Disagreement with Malik; in which he dealt with all of the matters mentioned above.47 Brother i was talking about Systems that developed after their death. They didn't ordered people to make such Systems and make boundaries to follow sunnah. Following hadith is an example from Muwatta Imam Malik. There is clear hadith from our prophet to fold hand during salat and Imam malik also recorded it. Malik :: Book 9 : Hadith 9.15.50 Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu Hazim ibn Dinar that Sahl ibn Sad said, "People used to be ordered to place their right hands on their left forearms in the prayer." Abu Hazim added, "I know for sure that Sahl traces that back to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace." Now what is the reason now a day follower of Imam Malik not following this hadith? I have a very important question to u. U already denied to answer of my 2 questions. No this no 3. Verdict of Imam Shafi is only for Shafi follower or for Ummah? U answer is very important.
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