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**AssinHT** · 12-12-2011, 08:51 AM

Brother I can be a reasonable person. While I admit it is makhruhe tanzihi (close to permissible) to shave in the Shafi school, the opinion you are mentioning in the Maliki school (and which has been popularized by the practice of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf) is not the relied upon position in the Maliki school. A long beard is required in the Maliki school even though "long" is not defined. But an honest person can tell you long is something which hangs quite a bit and not just somewhat. As for the jaws, being considered beard, it is part of the beard as Shaykh Hamza Maqbool confirmed I believe in another thread. He also confirmed the length.

- a fellow man of reason!

While I am willing to accept that there will be some ikhtilaaf upon the mas'alah, I have not found anything to substantiate your claim that the position I have cited is not relied upon within the Maliki madh'hab, thus I would appreciate anything you could show me to suggest otherwise.

In the Risaalah of Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani

, which is one of the most famous and respect works on Maliki fiqh by one of the most famous Maliki scholars from the Muslim West, it is mentioned that the Prophetic commandment of 'leaving the beard' is to allow it to become thick (which is dealt with arbitrarily by many of the Malikiyyah). Furthermore, contrary to what you have said, 'long' is defined within the madh'hab by 'custom', i.e. more than the length of beard that is generally kept within the community, and on top of that, the Malikiyyah say that it is mandub (i.e. recommended) to trim it if it exceeds what is considered to be long.

And Allah knows best.

P.S., with regard to your statement about Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, the Shaykh has previously stated (and you may be able to find evidence of this somewhere online) that his beard does not grow properly on his face, therefore he shaves that part off and keeps what he can grow. This is more than obvious to see in This Video.

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AssinHT Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	Brother I can be a reasonable person. While I admit it is makhruhe tanzihi (close to permissible) to shave in the Shafi school, the opinion you are mentioning in the Maliki school (and which has been popularized by the practice of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf) is not the relied upon position in the Maliki school. A long beard is required in the Maliki school even though "long" is not defined. But an honest person can tell you long is something which hangs quite a bit and not just somewhat. As for the jaws, being considered beard, it is part of the beard as Shaykh Hamza Maqbool confirmed I believe in another thread. He also confirmed the length. - a fellow man of reason! While I am willing to accept that there will be some ikhtilaaf upon the mas'alah, I have not found anything to substantiate your claim that the position I have cited is not relied upon within the Maliki madh'hab, thus I would appreciate anything you could show me to suggest otherwise. In the Risaalah of Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani , which is one of the most famous and respect works on Maliki fiqh by one of the most famous Maliki scholars from the Muslim West, it is mentioned that the Prophetic commandment of 'leaving the beard' is to allow it to become thick (which is dealt with arbitrarily by many of the Malikiyyah). Furthermore, contrary to what you have said, 'long' is defined within the madh'hab by 'custom', i.e. more than the length of beard that is generally kept within the community, and on top of that, the Malikiyyah say that it is mandub (i.e. recommended) to trim it if it exceeds what is considered to be long. And Allah knows best. P.S., with regard to your statement about Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, the Shaykh has previously stated (and you may be able to find evidence of this somewhere online) that his beard does not grow properly on his face, therefore he shaves that part off and keeps what he can grow. This is more than obvious to see in This Video.
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