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**Arbinknit** · 11-22-2011, 04:10 AM

Most certainly it does because even though we are both desis, I am the one making the claim, based on personal knowledge, that we are as racist and fault-ridden as, if not more so than, Arabs. You on the other hand are not saying one way or the other but that it is an unprovable proposition. Your being desi has no relevance when it comes to making that claim.

Additionally, my primary claim is that we love to POINT to their faults; that we have the same and to the same or greater degree is a secondary claim.

It doesn't nor have I claimed that it does. I have only highlighted it because it supports my PRIMARY claim, namely that desis love to point to Arab faults but stay blind to their own (at least on this forum).

We are all inclined towards sinning and what I wrote was a warning and a piece of advice.

Furthermore, you conveniently ignored my challenging of your claim that the greater emphasis desis place on pointing out Arab faults on this forum, while staying blind to their own. I will help get you started. Here are some threads that you might find of interest:

You need to stop moving the goalposts.

Here is your original post which I responded to:

Why do we desis just love starting threads, posting articles, sharing stories, making observations, and other posts devoted to highlighting the racism and other faults possessed by the Arabs when we possess all of those faults and then some at a far greater magnitude?

As you said, there are two statements in that post. The first (the first portion in bold), I did not even adress, let alone deny. That one you actually have an objective measurement for (considering all the threads you managed to find), if by "we desis" you meant "desis on this forum". However, I never contested the point, so your furnishing evidence for it now and attacking me on that basis, is nothing but a straw-man fallacy.

However, I did call you out on the second part:

we possess all of those faults [including racism] and then some at a far greater magnitude?

To rephrase, you claimed that desis possess all the faults of arabs, including racism, to a much greater degree than to which arabs possess those faults, in addition to other faults that arabs do not possess.

There are over 1 billion desis in this world. Unless you take a survey of all of them, you cannot possibly claim to have objective proof of this statement. Your personal experience as a desi amounts to anecdotal evidence, which does not qualify as objective proof. Thus, you are wrong in saying that being a desi lends more weight to your argument.

It doesn't nor have I claimed that it does. I have only highlighted it because it supports my PRIMARY claim, namely that desis love to point to Arab faults but stay blind to their own (at least on this forum).

No, it doesn't support your primary claim. Your primary claim was the first one I highlighted in bold, which was:

we desis just love starting threads, posting articles, sharing stories, making observations, and other posts devoted to highlighting the racism and other faults possessed by the Arabs

The clause of "staying blind to their own" does not appear in your original post. Even if we accept your modified "primary claim", my motivations again do not support it because 1. they are not discernable to you and 2. I did not say anything negative about arabs in my post.

You need to decide whether the subject of your claim is desis or desis on this forum. The subject of your original post was simply "desis". You did not specify desis on this forum.

After I correctly pointed out the racism of your original post, you began adding qualifiers:

"we desis"
vs.
"desis on this forum"

Without that qualifier, I could only have assumed by "desis" you meant "all desis". Thus, your original second statement was a total affirmation that desis are more racist and fault-ridden than arabs. That is a racist, unsubstantiated statement. However, you then changed your statement to desis being as racist and fault-ridden as arabs, and possibly more so:

"we possess all of those faults and then some at a far greater magnitude"
vs.
"we are as racist and fault-ridden as, if not more so than, Arabs."

Anyway, I don't have time to get into every little detail. I think I've gotten my point across. In spite of the fact that you have changed your position, however subtly, since your original post, my criticism of your original post still stands.

I have left this point for last since it isn't relevant to the main topic:

We are all inclined towards sinning and what I wrote was a warning and a piece of advice.

Really? Do you affix statements like that to every single one of your posts? If not, then why did you do it that time, if you did not anticipate that I was going to lie? Any outside observer would have taken that little unnecessary comment as an attempt to imply that I did not have a good reason for posting when I did, and that you thought I was going to lie to cover it up, and that your subsequent explanation was merely an attempt by you to save face. But I won't speculate.

11-22-2011, 04:10 AM	#30
Arbinknit Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 458 Senior Member	Most certainly it does because even though we are both desis, I am the one making the claim, based on personal knowledge, that we are as racist and fault-ridden as, if not more so than, Arabs. You on the other hand are not saying one way or the other but that it is an unprovable proposition. Your being desi has no relevance when it comes to making that claim. Additionally, my primary claim is that we love to POINT to their faults; that we have the same and to the same or greater degree is a secondary claim. It doesn't nor have I claimed that it does. I have only highlighted it because it supports my PRIMARY claim, namely that desis love to point to Arab faults but stay blind to their own (at least on this forum). We are all inclined towards sinning and what I wrote was a warning and a piece of advice. Furthermore, you conveniently ignored my challenging of your claim that the greater emphasis desis place on pointing out Arab faults on this forum, while staying blind to their own. I will help get you started. Here are some threads that you might find of interest: You need to stop moving the goalposts. Here is your original post which I responded to: Why do we desis just love starting threads, posting articles, sharing stories, making observations, and other posts devoted to highlighting the racism and other faults possessed by the Arabs when we possess all of those faults and then some at a far greater magnitude? As you said, there are two statements in that post. The first (the first portion in bold), I did not even adress, let alone deny. That one you actually have an objective measurement for (considering all the threads you managed to find), if by "we desis" you meant "desis on this forum". However, I never contested the point, so your furnishing evidence for it now and attacking me on that basis, is nothing but a straw-man fallacy. However, I did call you out on the second part: we possess all of those faults [including racism] and then some at a far greater magnitude? To rephrase, you claimed that desis possess all the faults of arabs, including racism, to a much greater degree than to which arabs possess those faults, in addition to other faults that arabs do not possess. There are over 1 billion desis in this world. Unless you take a survey of all of them, you cannot possibly claim to have objective proof of this statement. Your personal experience as a desi amounts to anecdotal evidence, which does not qualify as objective proof. Thus, you are wrong in saying that being a desi lends more weight to your argument. It doesn't nor have I claimed that it does. I have only highlighted it because it supports my PRIMARY claim, namely that desis love to point to Arab faults but stay blind to their own (at least on this forum). No, it doesn't support your primary claim. Your primary claim was the first one I highlighted in bold, which was: we desis just love starting threads, posting articles, sharing stories, making observations, and other posts devoted to highlighting the racism and other faults possessed by the Arabs The clause of "staying blind to their own" does not appear in your original post. Even if we accept your modified "primary claim", my motivations again do not support it because 1. they are not discernable to you and 2. I did not say anything negative about arabs in my post. You need to decide whether the subject of your claim is desis or desis on this forum. The subject of your original post was simply "desis". You did not specify desis on this forum. After I correctly pointed out the racism of your original post, you began adding qualifiers: "we desis" vs. "desis on this forum" Without that qualifier, I could only have assumed by "desis" you meant "all desis". Thus, your original second statement was a total affirmation that desis are more racist and fault-ridden than arabs. That is a racist, unsubstantiated statement. However, you then changed your statement to desis being as racist and fault-ridden as arabs, and possibly more so: "we possess all of those faults and then some at a far greater magnitude" vs. "we are as racist and fault-ridden as, if not more so than, Arabs." Anyway, I don't have time to get into every little detail. I think I've gotten my point across. In spite of the fact that you have changed your position, however subtly, since your original post, my criticism of your original post still stands. I have left this point for last since it isn't relevant to the main topic: We are all inclined towards sinning and what I wrote was a warning and a piece of advice. Really? Do you affix statements like that to every single one of your posts? If not, then why did you do it that time, if you did not anticipate that I was going to lie? Any outside observer would have taken that little unnecessary comment as an attempt to imply that I did not have a good reason for posting when I did, and that you thought I was going to lie to cover it up, and that your subsequent explanation was merely an attempt by you to save face. But I won't speculate.
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