[ChexEcodece]

Assalaamualaikum wr wb,

Isn't it great, how everyone says salaam at the start of their posts.

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I think everyone should step back and just assess what it is they've all written. So let's see...what can I summarise so far from this thread..

I'd like to ask, what is everyone's mother tongue language? And second languages if they have any?Where do you all come from, where are you all based? Maybe that'd help give people a better picture...

Then I'd like to point out that a fact is a fact - in the scientific world, with the way scientific minds are construed, of course the end chemical formula of 'alcohols' derived from different sources will be the same. I'd like to say that alcohol is broken down by the liver enzymes P450 in the body, this is fact. Whatever the type of alcohol, often the same alcohol.

Then you have the blessed learned ppl of fatwa giving rights - who deem that if not consumed in large quantities and if produced naturally, and if not from grape and dates, then by their deduction, such alcohol is fine.

But you have to wonder about Shellac and alcohol as a solvent?

And while we're at it, what's the issue with Starter Bacteria and medium? Surely once you have the bacteria, they act on the protein in milk and do the job of turning it into curds and whey? Are the bacteria themselves haram? And as for rennet - we've already been told that if the rennet comes from baby pig stomaches or non-halal-slaughtered calf's stomachs, then its haram - and that such rennet used to make cheese (curd elements - whey thrown off which is the liquid aspect containing enzyme rennet and dried off to be used in all sorts of products..)

I think both parties are not acknowledging each other's sentiments. I reckon that the food scientist bro is only trying to make the point that in this day an age a whole bunch of **** goes on in making processed foods and unless he feels reassured that the learned people are aware of this, then he cannot really rest knowing that people in his mind are potentially not living as halal as possible. Especially if a fatwa is being made based on a particular countries way of processing food. eg. maybe in the middle east, the rennet is halal. hence whey is halal. But in the west, it may not be from a halal source.

And I reckon that those people who feel the religion has answered the issues sufficiently are not making it clear enuff - we all have to look at our failings in trying to help each other understand....maybe if both parties can show some acknowledgement, then maybe we'd get somewhere? eg. it's true ...bread even smells alcoholic after coming straight out the oven...mmmm tastey (I joke in all seriousness)...unless the scholars say categorically that such small amounts of naturally made alcohol is haram - then bread is still okay to eat. Does make you wonder though, why many countries eat pitta bread.

Finally - i think the moral of the story is that we should all own a plot of land somewhere and make our own cheeses, and eat fresh fruit and vegetables and not eat harmful foods like donuts that might kill our pancreas' and lead us to the land of diabetes.

By the way - don't krispie kremes contain stearates? is that a plant or animal derivative - I was under the impression that this was derived from some sort of animal fatty acid. Perhaps our Br.Rasheed may provide some light on the matter.
http://www.krispykreme.com/nutri.pdf

Apologies in advance for stepping on anyone's toes. I just get pretty tired of this back and forth obsessive compulsive argumentation....that's why its obsessive and compulsive.



May God bless all of you who are trying to argue your points. May we take time to learn and understand each other, and may peace always reside in our hearts. May God forgive me for giving in lol and writing.

Wasalaam.