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**invest7manager** · 12-03-2011, 11:53 PM

Brother,

are u like ok? I mean seriously, u "understand" them cursing Hadhrat Ameer Muawiyah (Radhiyallahu anhu)???

and how on earth are u speaking, you dare address him as "muawiya" ???

First of all, I would like to thank each and every one of you who took the time to read my post. Moreover, all of you not only cautioned me but brought out sound references and arguments to back up your advise. Wallaahi, it feels good to see that brothers look out for each other, I truly mean that

But the only reason why I am going to their mosques is because Muharram is when their emotions, and true colors, without being rude, come out and it is the best time to understand where our Shia brothers stand. Secondly, I have watched tens of anti-Shia videos and read even more articles about them and by going to their mosques, I want to see how many of those claims are true and how many are obscure, made-up allegations. Even a criminal gets a chance to present his side of the story, so why cannot I give them a chance? And let us not forget that they are Muslims; perhaps greatly misguided and deviated but their ceremonies are inaugurated with Qur'anic recitation. They send peace and blessings upon Rasulullah (saw). And I know the last two phrases I have typed will have many look at me cross-eyed but let us agree to disagree on that.

Coming to the point regarding Muawiya (ra), I want to apologize to brother Abul Lais before I put my case forth. I did not mean to disrespect Muawiya (ra) and I did not purposely omit "ra" after mentioning his name. Let us compare two phrases in my original post:

Would they spare half of that praise for Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (ra)? I can understand them sending la'anat on Yazeed, even Muawiyah, but why Abu Sufiyan (ra)? See something similar? When I mention more than one Sahaba (ra) in a sentence, I add a plural "ra" at the end. So, the last thing I was doing was insulting Muawiya (ra). I do not put "ra" after Yazeed's name but you will never hear me curse Yazeed. From what I have read, scholars hold three opinions regarding Yazeed: those who curse him, those who praise him and those who leave him to Allah (swt). I go with the 3rd category. But that "ra" at the end of the phrase, after the name of Abu Sufiyan (ra), was for both Muawiya (ra) and Abu Sufiyan (ra) (here I place "ra" after each name so that I am not yelled at again, lol).

Finally, when I said I could understand why they send la'anat on Muawiya (ra), it did not mean that I condone their action. As I mentioned above, I do not even send la'anat on Yazeed. I just hate the idea of cursing in mosques, period, and when it comes to Yazeed, I leave him to Allah (swt). But the Shias see him as the one directly responsible for Imam Hussain's (ra) death. And they claim that Muawiya (ra) was a kaffir, naudhibillah, because he fought against Ali (ra). Hence, I can understand, NOT CONDONE OR APPROVE, why they curse Muawiya (ra) and Yazeed.

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invest7manager Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 500 Senior Member	Brother, are u like ok? I mean seriously, u "understand" them cursing Hadhrat Ameer Muawiyah (Radhiyallahu anhu)??? and how on earth are u speaking, you dare address him as "muawiya" ??? First of all, I would like to thank each and every one of you who took the time to read my post. Moreover, all of you not only cautioned me but brought out sound references and arguments to back up your advise. Wallaahi, it feels good to see that brothers look out for each other, I truly mean that But the only reason why I am going to their mosques is because Muharram is when their emotions, and true colors, without being rude, come out and it is the best time to understand where our Shia brothers stand. Secondly, I have watched tens of anti-Shia videos and read even more articles about them and by going to their mosques, I want to see how many of those claims are true and how many are obscure, made-up allegations. Even a criminal gets a chance to present his side of the story, so why cannot I give them a chance? And let us not forget that they are Muslims; perhaps greatly misguided and deviated but their ceremonies are inaugurated with Qur'anic recitation. They send peace and blessings upon Rasulullah (saw). And I know the last two phrases I have typed will have many look at me cross-eyed but let us agree to disagree on that. Coming to the point regarding Muawiya (ra), I want to apologize to brother Abul Lais before I put my case forth. I did not mean to disrespect Muawiya (ra) and I did not purposely omit "ra" after mentioning his name. Let us compare two phrases in my original post: Would they spare half of that praise for Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (ra)? I can understand them sending la'anat on Yazeed, even Muawiyah, but why Abu Sufiyan (ra)? See something similar? When I mention more than one Sahaba (ra) in a sentence, I add a plural "ra" at the end. So, the last thing I was doing was insulting Muawiya (ra). I do not put "ra" after Yazeed's name but you will never hear me curse Yazeed. From what I have read, scholars hold three opinions regarding Yazeed: those who curse him, those who praise him and those who leave him to Allah (swt). I go with the 3rd category. But that "ra" at the end of the phrase, after the name of Abu Sufiyan (ra), was for both Muawiya (ra) and Abu Sufiyan (ra) (here I place "ra" after each name so that I am not yelled at again, lol). Finally, when I said I could understand why they send la'anat on Muawiya (ra), it did not mean that I condone their action. As I mentioned above, I do not even send la'anat on Yazeed. I just hate the idea of cursing in mosques, period, and when it comes to Yazeed, I leave him to Allah (swt). But the Shias see him as the one directly responsible for Imam Hussain's (ra) death. And they claim that Muawiya (ra) was a kaffir, naudhibillah, because he fought against Ali (ra). Hence, I can understand, NOT CONDONE OR APPROVE, why they curse Muawiya (ra) and Yazeed.
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