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**Aagotiq** · 04-15-2011, 06:57 PM

Ja zakallahu khayr shaykh abul hussain
I was developing a soft spot for the wahhabis
Until i saw you and i remembered what type of nafs-inflated monsters they produce.

Leave this man alone to his wretchedness.

And make dua he goes into wajd and finds a wali who takes him into the deserts shouting Allah Allah.
Or make dua he finds a muhaqqiq like imam al asr mutadil in adab for ibn taymiyyah
like Imam anwar shah who said ibn taymiyyah had so much knowledge he was a mountain of ilm.
If we were to look up at his ilm it is so high our topis would fall of our heads.

But if he were to come into our dar al hadith to talk on aqeeda we wouldnt let him *ibn Taymiyya* in through the door even.

I don't know why you bring Hafiz Taqi al-Din Ibn Taymiyyah ? was he also supporting Perennialism or nonsense like if Rachel Corrie is not forgiven then i'am in the wrong religion ? what ever happened to Shaykh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi's bio on Ibn Taymiyyah ??

sorry brother, that is a very weak case because the imam of hanafis and muhadith and muhaqiq like Hafiz Badr al-Din Ayni al-Hanafi ( the hanafi Muhadith ) said about Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah : Badr al-Din Ayni (d. 855 AH) wrote in the endorsement of ar-Radd al-Waafir of ibn Nasir ad-Din al-Dimashqi (d.842 AH), "" Whoever says ibn Taymiyyah is a kaafir then he is in reality himself a kaafir, and the one who accuses him of heresy is himself a heretic. How is this possible when his works are widely available and there is no hint of deviation or dissension contained therein"

This is an attempt to show that the creed of Ibn Taymiyya is different than the creed of Salaf us Salih while Mullah Ali Qari, Badr al-Din Ayni, Mari Karmi, Ibn Hajar Asqalani in the endorsement of radd al-wafir don't seem to agree with such claims. This enmity against Ibn Taymiyyah is nothing but as Muhammad bin Abdul Barr as-Subki said, "by Allah no one hates ibn Taymiyyah except for an ignoramus or the possessor of desires which have diverted him from the truth after he has come to know it."

الْعَلامَة الامام قَاضِي قُضَاة الاسلام بهاء الدّين ابو الْبَقَاء مُحَمَّد بن عبد الْبر بن يحيى السُّبْكِيّ الشَّافِعِي رَحمَه الله حَيْثُ يَقُول لبَعض من ذكر لَهُ الْكَلَام فِي ابْن تَيْمِية فَقَالَ وَالله يَا فلَان مَا يبغض ابْن تَيْمِية إِلَّا جَاهِل أَو صَاحب هوى فالجاهل لَا يدْرِي مَا يَقُول وَصَاحب الْهوى يصده هَوَاهُ عَن الْحق بعد مَعْرفَته بِهِ انْتهى

and the Hadith master of Hanafis Badr al-Din Ayni said "whosoever says ibn Taymiyyah is a kaafir the he is in reality himself a kaafir, and the one who accuses him of heresy is himself a heretic. How is this possible when his works are widely available and there is no hint of deviation or dissension contained therein." in the endorsement of the book radd al-waafir

فمن قال إنه كافر فهو كافر حقيق ومن نسبه إلى الزندقة فهو زنديق وكيف ذاك وقد سارت تصانيفه في الآفاق وليس فيها شيء مما يدل على الزيغ والشقاق ولم يكن بحثه فيما صدر عنه في مسألة الزيارة والطلاق إلا عن اجتهاد سائغ بالاتفاق والمجتهد في الحالتين مأجور ومثاب وليس فيه شيء مما يلام ويعاب لكن حملهم على ذلك حسدهم الظاهر وكيدهم الباهر وكفى للحاسد ذما آخر سورة الفلق في احتراقه بالقلق

The book Radd al-waafir by ibn Nasir al-Din could be downloaded http://shamela.ws/index.php/book/6660 and the taqriz from here http://shamela.ws/index.php/book/6662

http://www.archive.org/details/radwafir

your attempt is nothing but desperation, confusion and state of denial to the truth about Perennialism preached by those who also promote dancing in the name of Islam and other such things like Halwa eating, superstitions, rituals and rites.

The scholars of the past from East and West have testified in favor of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah as mentioned in the books of Scholars like Ibn Nasir al-Din Dimashqi, Mari Karmi, Ibn Abdul Hadi, Bazzar, Bukhari al-hanafi, so, it really doesn't matter about your dar hadith or what you or I have to say about Ibn Taymiyyah compared to those 100s of scholars contemporary and right after Ibn Taymiyyah said. In those times, there were no computers and things like shamela.ws but today, any fair scholar can research for himself and come to conclusion if really Ibn Taymiyyah was making up stuff as his enemies were claiming or were they lying upon him because of hasad or whatever reason.

Rivalry existed in all times and will continue to exist. I can understand that brother, so need for harbouring ill-feelings against SHAYKH AL-ISLAM.

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By The Imam, the Hafidh Abu Hafs ‘Umar bin ‘Ali al-Bazzar.

“If I had to swear standing between the corner of the Ka’bah and the spot of Ibrahim, I would swear that I have not laid my two eyes on anyone like him, nor has he seen anyone as knowledgeable as himself.” – al-Hafidh adh-Dhahabi

Why Bazzar wrote the book:
When I learned of the death of the scholar and educator of this Ummah - the Imām, the
mujtahid, the defender of the pure Sharī’ah and Prophetic Sunnah, Shaykh al-Islām Taqī ad-Dīn
Abī al-‘Abbās Ahmad bin ‘Abd al-Halīm bin ‘Abd as-Salām bin Taymiyyah (may Allāh
sanctify his soul and brighten his grave)5 - some of the scholars and those who loved good
for the Muslims said to me: “You saw and befriended the Shaykh, and you came to know
him and his characteristics. If only you could write a few words regarding what you saw in
order to benefit whoever of this Ummah comes across them, since mercy descends when we
remember the righteous people.”

So, I responded: “I only accompanied him for a few days, and I only know few of his many
virtues.” However, I saw that they intended good and that what they were requesting of me
was a right and obligation upon me, as the scholar should be keen to spread and distribute
what he thinks will be of value to the Muslims. So, I produced a small effort describing his
virtues which will give the intelligent reader an idea of the honor and excellence of this man.
I divided it into sections in order that it be a guide to those who reflect, and I included all
that I could remember under each one, covering topics such as:

His birth and upbringing
Allāh’s leading him to good in his entire life
His keenness and effort in regards to knowledge
His constant listening to Hadīth
His numerous written works
His amazing memory when issuing verdicts and giving lessons
His stunning expertise in the various types of related information
His worship and cautiousness
His zuhd, dedication, and abandonment of the dunyā
His poverty, humility, generosity, and intelligence
His firmness, bravery, and patience, and the trials he endured for the Sake of Allāh
Allāh’s Protection for him despite his enemies’ envy
His death, and the immense number of people who prayed at his janāzah
The love of him that Allāh placed in the hearts of everyone during and after his life
The spreading of his knowledge and books in the far ends of the Earth

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Was Bazzar also tricked into like what some brothers claim that salafis are tricking muslim into Perennialism and accepting Buddhism, Christianity and Judaism as valid religions " if Rachel Corrie is not forgiven then i'am in the wrong religion "

الرد الوافر على من زعم أن من سمى ابن تيمية شيخ الإسلام كافر

* معلومات الكتاب: رقم الكتاب: 77
* عنوان الكتاب: الرد الوافر على من زعم أن من سمى ابن تيمية شيخ الإسلام كافر
* المؤلف: ابن ناصر الدين الدمشقي، أبو عبد الله محمد بن أبي بكر عبد الله الشافعي
* بداية النسخة:
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم، الحمد لله الذي رضي الإسلام لمن أحب دينًا، وغرس الإيمان في قلوبهم فأثمرت إخلاص طاعته...
* عدد الأوراق: 146
* مصدر المخطوط: المكتبة الأزهرية - 312942
* وصف النسخة:
معه تقاريظ جماعة من العلماء، وعليه خط العلامة مرعي بن يوسف الكرمي، كتب عليه بخطه: إن ابن تيمية في كل العلوم أوحد، أحييت دين أحمد وشرعه يا أحمد..
* شوهد: 3059 مرة
* تاريخ الإضافة: 20 / رجب / 1427 هـ الموافق 14 / أغسطس / 2006 م
* روابط التحميل:

04-15-2011, 06:57 PM	#33
Aagotiq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	Ja zakallahu khayr shaykh abul hussain I was developing a soft spot for the wahhabis Until i saw you and i remembered what type of nafs-inflated monsters they produce. Leave this man alone to his wretchedness. And make dua he goes into wajd and finds a wali who takes him into the deserts shouting Allah Allah. Or make dua he finds a muhaqqiq like imam al asr mutadil in adab for ibn taymiyyah like Imam anwar shah who said ibn taymiyyah had so much knowledge he was a mountain of ilm. If we were to look up at his ilm it is so high our topis would fall of our heads. But if he were to come into our dar al hadith to talk on aqeeda we wouldnt let him ibn Taymiyya in through the door even. I don't know why you bring Hafiz Taqi al-Din Ibn Taymiyyah ? was he also supporting Perennialism or nonsense like if Rachel Corrie is not forgiven then i'am in the wrong religion ? what ever happened to Shaykh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi's bio on Ibn Taymiyyah ?? sorry brother, that is a very weak case because the imam of hanafis and muhadith and muhaqiq like Hafiz Badr al-Din Ayni al-Hanafi ( the hanafi Muhadith ) said about Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah : Badr al-Din Ayni (d. 855 AH) wrote in the endorsement of ar-Radd al-Waafir of ibn Nasir ad-Din al-Dimashqi (d.842 AH), "" Whoever says ibn Taymiyyah is a kaafir then he is in reality himself a kaafir, and the one who accuses him of heresy is himself a heretic. How is this possible when his works are widely available and there is no hint of deviation or dissension contained therein" This is an attempt to show that the creed of Ibn Taymiyya is different than the creed of Salaf us Salih while Mullah Ali Qari, Badr al-Din Ayni, Mari Karmi, Ibn Hajar Asqalani in the endorsement of radd al-wafir don't seem to agree with such claims. This enmity against Ibn Taymiyyah is nothing but as Muhammad bin Abdul Barr as-Subki said, "by Allah no one hates ibn Taymiyyah except for an ignoramus or the possessor of desires which have diverted him from the truth after he has come to know it." الْعَلامَة الامام قَاضِي قُضَاة الاسلام بهاء الدّين ابو الْبَقَاء مُحَمَّد بن عبد الْبر بن يحيى السُّبْكِيّ الشَّافِعِي رَحمَه الله حَيْثُ يَقُول لبَعض من ذكر لَهُ الْكَلَام فِي ابْن تَيْمِية فَقَالَ وَالله يَا فلَان مَا يبغض ابْن تَيْمِية إِلَّا جَاهِل أَو صَاحب هوى فالجاهل لَا يدْرِي مَا يَقُول وَصَاحب الْهوى يصده هَوَاهُ عَن الْحق بعد مَعْرفَته بِهِ انْتهى and the Hadith master of Hanafis Badr al-Din Ayni said "whosoever says ibn Taymiyyah is a kaafir the he is in reality himself a kaafir, and the one who accuses him of heresy is himself a heretic. How is this possible when his works are widely available and there is no hint of deviation or dissension contained therein." in the endorsement of the book radd al-waafir فمن قال إنه كافر فهو كافر حقيق ومن نسبه إلى الزندقة فهو زنديق وكيف ذاك وقد سارت تصانيفه في الآفاق وليس فيها شيء مما يدل على الزيغ والشقاق ولم يكن بحثه فيما صدر عنه في مسألة الزيارة والطلاق إلا عن اجتهاد سائغ بالاتفاق والمجتهد في الحالتين مأجور ومثاب وليس فيه شيء مما يلام ويعاب لكن حملهم على ذلك حسدهم الظاهر وكيدهم الباهر وكفى للحاسد ذما آخر سورة الفلق في احتراقه بالقلق The book Radd al-waafir by ibn Nasir al-Din could be downloaded http://shamela.ws/index.php/book/6660 and the taqriz from here http://shamela.ws/index.php/book/6662 http://www.archive.org/details/radwafir your attempt is nothing but desperation, confusion and state of denial to the truth about Perennialism preached by those who also promote dancing in the name of Islam and other such things like Halwa eating, superstitions, rituals and rites. The scholars of the past from East and West have testified in favor of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah as mentioned in the books of Scholars like Ibn Nasir al-Din Dimashqi, Mari Karmi, Ibn Abdul Hadi, Bazzar, Bukhari al-hanafi, so, it really doesn't matter about your dar hadith or what you or I have to say about Ibn Taymiyyah compared to those 100s of scholars contemporary and right after Ibn Taymiyyah said. In those times, there were no computers and things like shamela.ws but today, any fair scholar can research for himself and come to conclusion if really Ibn Taymiyyah was making up stuff as his enemies were claiming or were they lying upon him because of hasad or whatever reason. Rivalry existed in all times and will continue to exist. I can understand that brother, so need for harbouring ill-feelings against SHAYKH AL-ISLAM. [DOWNLOAD] By The Imam, the Hafidh Abu Hafs ‘Umar bin ‘Ali al-Bazzar. “If I had to swear standing between the corner of the Ka’bah and the spot of Ibrahim, I would swear that I have not laid my two eyes on anyone like him, nor has he seen anyone as knowledgeable as himself.” – al-Hafidh adh-Dhahabi Why Bazzar wrote the book: When I learned of the death of the scholar and educator of this Ummah - the Imām, the mujtahid, the defender of the pure Sharī’ah and Prophetic Sunnah, Shaykh al-Islām Taqī ad-Dīn Abī al-‘Abbās Ahmad bin ‘Abd al-Halīm bin ‘Abd as-Salām bin Taymiyyah (may Allāh sanctify his soul and brighten his grave)5 - some of the scholars and those who loved good for the Muslims said to me: “You saw and befriended the Shaykh, and you came to know him and his characteristics. If only you could write a few words regarding what you saw in order to benefit whoever of this Ummah comes across them, since mercy descends when we remember the righteous people.” So, I responded: “I only accompanied him for a few days, and I only know few of his many virtues.” However, I saw that they intended good and that what they were requesting of me was a right and obligation upon me, as the scholar should be keen to spread and distribute what he thinks will be of value to the Muslims. So, I produced a small effort describing his virtues which will give the intelligent reader an idea of the honor and excellence of this man. I divided it into sections in order that it be a guide to those who reflect, and I included all that I could remember under each one, covering topics such as: His birth and upbringing Allāh’s leading him to good in his entire life His keenness and effort in regards to knowledge His constant listening to Hadīth His numerous written works His amazing memory when issuing verdicts and giving lessons His stunning expertise in the various types of related information His worship and cautiousness His zuhd, dedication, and abandonment of the dunyā His poverty, humility, generosity, and intelligence His firmness, bravery, and patience, and the trials he endured for the Sake of Allāh Allāh’s Protection for him despite his enemies’ envy His death, and the immense number of people who prayed at his janāzah The love of him that Allāh placed in the hearts of everyone during and after his life The spreading of his knowledge and books in the far ends of the Earth • • • • • • • • • • • • Was Bazzar also tricked into like what some brothers claim that salafis are tricking muslim into Perennialism and accepting Buddhism, Christianity and Judaism as valid religions " if Rachel Corrie is not forgiven then i'am in the wrong religion " الرد الوافر على من زعم أن من سمى ابن تيمية شيخ الإسلام كافر * معلومات الكتاب: رقم الكتاب: 77 * عنوان الكتاب: الرد الوافر على من زعم أن من سمى ابن تيمية شيخ الإسلام كافر * المؤلف: ابن ناصر الدين الدمشقي، أبو عبد الله محمد بن أبي بكر عبد الله الشافعي * بداية النسخة: بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم، الحمد لله الذي رضي الإسلام لمن أحب دينًا، وغرس الإيمان في قلوبهم فأثمرت إخلاص طاعته... * عدد الأوراق: 146 * مصدر المخطوط: المكتبة الأزهرية - 312942 * وصف النسخة: معه تقاريظ جماعة من العلماء، وعليه خط العلامة مرعي بن يوسف الكرمي، كتب عليه بخطه: إن ابن تيمية في كل العلوم أوحد، أحييت دين أحمد وشرعه يا أحمد.. * شوهد: 3059 مرة * تاريخ الإضافة: 20 / رجب / 1427 هـ الموافق 14 / أغسطس / 2006 م * روابط التحميل:
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