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I recieved this message from hadith denier.
I was sent a personal message on my youtube account by a hadith denier, who sent me the following hadith and reason why he thinks it is wrong and contradicting the qur'an (his message is all in blue):
Muslim; Book 001, Number 0214: It is narrated on the authority of Anas b. Malik that when this verse:" O ye who believe I raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor shout loud unto him in discourse, as ye shout loud unto one another, lest your deeds should become null and void, while you perceive not" (xlix. 2-5), was revealed. Thabit b. Qais confined himself in his house and said: I am one of the denizens of Fire, and he deliberately avoided coming to the Apostle (may peace be upon him). The Apostle (may peace be upon him) asked Sa'd b, Mu'adh about him and said, Abu Amr, how is Thabit? Has he fallen sick? Sa'd said: He is my neighbour, but I do not know of his illness. Sa'd came to him (Thabit), and conveyed to him the message of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). Upon this Thabit said: This verse was revealed, and you are well aware of the fact that, amongst all of you, mine is the voice louder than that of the Messenger of Allah, and so I am one amongst the denizens of Fire, Sa'd Informed the Holy Prophet about it. Upon this the Messenger of Allah observed: (Nay, not so) but he (Thabit) is one of the dwellers of Paradise.
Bukhari: Volume 6, Book 60, Number 369: Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet missed Thabit bin Qais for a period (So he inquired about him). A man said. "O Allah's Apostle! I will bring you his news." So he went to Thabit and found him sitting in his house and bowing his head. The man said to Thabit, " 'What is the matter with you?" Thabitreplied that it was an evil affair, for he used to raise his voice above the voice of the Prophet and so all his good deeds had been annulled, and he considered himself as one of the people of the Fire. Then the man returned to the Prophet and told him that Thabit had said, so-and-so. (Musa bin Anas) said: The man returned to Thabit with great glad tidings. The Prophet said to the man. "Go back to him and say to him: "You are not from the people of the Hell Fire, but from the people of Paradise."
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This hadith can never be accepted as authentic for the following reasons.
a. This verse was revealed during 9th Hijri year, when deputations from various tribes visited the Prophet), in the context of Aqaba. Everyone agrees on this. [seeBukhari, Fat-hul Bari, Tafsir chapter, Vol. 20, 338]
b. Sa'dibnMa'az was wounded during the Battle of Trenches. A few days after the Campaign ofBanuQuraizah, in ZulQida month of 5th Hijrayar, he died. This fact is undisputed. [see Bukhari, Muslim, Isaba, 3:197; Tajrid, 2: 185; Ikmal, etc.]
As we see, Sa'd was dead four years before this verse was revealed. Therefore, any meeting or conversation of Sa'd with the Prophet or Thabit is either false or erroneous. Thus, even though its isnad is valid, we humbly have to admit some kind of error or problem in regard to this hadith.
i can send you more hadiths if u can explain them to me
and as i already said i dont believe the hadiths that go against the quran
can u please give me hadiths that dont go against quran i will follow
So that was what he sent me can someone explain all that to me as I am a layman.
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