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a debate between abu jafar al hanbali and a barelwi takfiri imam on the deobandis
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did i understand it correctly that he said he believes salafis are kafir but he doesnt pronounce it or something like this? As for Salafiyyah, yes it is a cult; but the takfir upon it is general. Thus
when the scholars say that, “Salafis are kuffar
, they are followers of Musailimah…their teacher and head is a false prophet…” this is a general statement without saying that each and every Salafi is a kafir.
This is the Takfir Ta’ifat ul-Kufr: the takfir of a group. This takfir of a group is without saying each and every one is an unbeliever. Those that have been named by the scholars have takfir ul-mu`ayyin but without saying each and any.
Finally, in his anger, he asked me if I made takfir on the individuals that he named.
I stated that I accept the statement of the scholars
but I do not state that whoever did not make takfir on them is an unbeliever because none of the scholars ever had this attitude with any of the forms of takfir except the one that involves someone mentioned by name in the Qur’an.
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