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**BILBONDER** · 11-26-2011, 05:41 AM

Earlier my grandmother was reading me some sections from Muhammad al-Tijani's book 'Shi'ah Hum Ahl Al-Sunnah'. It wrote that Abu Bakr (ra) & Umar bin Khattab (ra) burned ahadith, which were supposedly about Ahle Bayt & a threat to their position. She went on to tell me Ali (ra) was pushed aside and mocked during the caliphate of the 3 earlier caliphs. I don't like to argue with her, so most of the time I listened. She brought up a point about why is it that we never hear of ahadith narrated by Ali (ra) & the rest of the family members. Actually I'm curious about that point. Why is that so? The book also spoke about how the sahabas 'teamed up' against the Ahle Bayt and appointed Mu'awiya (ra) in Sham & kept him around despite the fact that they were aware of the tension between Ali (ra) and Muawiya (ra). Although I tried to tell her that the sahaba (and especially Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman (ra) had a special place next to Prophet Muhammad (saw) and our sources differ from Shi'a sources, she still gave me the hint that afterall, they were all the same & Ahle Bayt were haq (again, as if we deny the high rank of Ahle Bayt but anyway.) I searched a little on the case of Abu Bakr (ra) & Umar (ra) burning ahadith, but I didn't want to confuse myself too much with different links, so I would much appreciate it if you can shed light on this claim & what the true story is.

JazakumAllah khayr, thanks in advance.

'Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) narrated around 590 Ahadiths (That's a HUGE amount he's one of the top ten narrators).

'Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) narrated 527 Ahadiths.

'Uthman ibn 'Affan (ra) narrated 147 Ahadiths.

Abu Bakr (ra) narrated 142 Ahadiths.

As for al-Tijani (guy who wrote that book) he's an ignorant clown who's a big liar, thats him actually making a fool of himself and losing in debate against our scholars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6F8dEzMq30

and here he is making a fool of himself and saying that Ataturk (Seculr Kaffir turkish leader) will be on the same level of 'Ali (ra) on the day of judgement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C2pX...eature=related

As for burning the Ahadith in praise of 'Ali (ra), well The companions barley wrote the Quran back then I didn't know there were books of Hadith they could burn? hehe

Maybe this is why 'Ali (ra) has loads of virtues in our books, we have entire chapters about his virtues, now let me show you how he was treated in the days of 'Umar (ra) for example:

'Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) narrates: al-'Abbas, Fatima, Zaid and myself have all gathered in the prophet's SAWS house, al-'Abbas asked the Prophet SAWS: "O Prophet of Allah, I have become a man of old age and my bones and health have become weak, so if you can provide me with such and such and some food then do so." He SAWS said: "I will." then Fatima may Allah be pleased with her said: "O Prophet of Allah, you know of my relation to you, so if you see that you can provide me with the same things you provided your uncle then do so." and he did what she said, then Zaid ibn Harithah asked: "O Prophet of Allah, in the past you had given me a piece of land where I could live and then you took it away from me, so if you see that you can return it then do so." and he did, I ('Ali) said: "Me O prophet of Allah, if you see fit to make me in charge of our right from the Khums which is in the book of Allah so that I may divide it in your life and no one would dispute it with me after you." so he did, Then he SAWS turned towards al-'Abbas and said: "O abu al-Fadl, will you not ask of me the same thing as your nephew?" and he replied: "No O prophet of Allah, my need is only what I have asked." So the Prophet SAWS made me in charge of it and I divided it during his life and then Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him made me in charge of it during his days and I divided it during his life and after him 'Umar may Allah be pleased with him made me in charge of it and I divided it, then in the last year of his rule he obtained a great amount of wealth and he saved us our share and sent after me and told me: "This is your money so take it and divide it the way you used to." so I ('Ali) replied to him and said: "O chief of believers! we do not need such an amount this year and the Muslims are in need of this money so offer it to them for this year."

sources: Musnad Ahmad, Musannaf ibn abi Shaybah, Sunan al-Beihaqi.

Grading: SAHIH.

11-26-2011, 05:41 AM	#2
BILBONDER Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 382 Senior Member	Earlier my grandmother was reading me some sections from Muhammad al-Tijani's book 'Shi'ah Hum Ahl Al-Sunnah'. It wrote that Abu Bakr (ra) & Umar bin Khattab (ra) burned ahadith, which were supposedly about Ahle Bayt & a threat to their position. She went on to tell me Ali (ra) was pushed aside and mocked during the caliphate of the 3 earlier caliphs. I don't like to argue with her, so most of the time I listened. She brought up a point about why is it that we never hear of ahadith narrated by Ali (ra) & the rest of the family members. Actually I'm curious about that point. Why is that so? The book also spoke about how the sahabas 'teamed up' against the Ahle Bayt and appointed Mu'awiya (ra) in Sham & kept him around despite the fact that they were aware of the tension between Ali (ra) and Muawiya (ra). Although I tried to tell her that the sahaba (and especially Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman (ra) had a special place next to Prophet Muhammad (saw) and our sources differ from Shi'a sources, she still gave me the hint that afterall, they were all the same & Ahle Bayt were haq (again, as if we deny the high rank of Ahle Bayt but anyway.) I searched a little on the case of Abu Bakr (ra) & Umar (ra) burning ahadith, but I didn't want to confuse myself too much with different links, so I would much appreciate it if you can shed light on this claim & what the true story is. JazakumAllah khayr, thanks in advance. 'Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) narrated around 590 Ahadiths (That's a HUGE amount he's one of the top ten narrators). 'Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) narrated 527 Ahadiths. 'Uthman ibn 'Affan (ra) narrated 147 Ahadiths. Abu Bakr (ra) narrated 142 Ahadiths. As for al-Tijani (guy who wrote that book) he's an ignorant clown who's a big liar, thats him actually making a fool of himself and losing in debate against our scholars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6F8dEzMq30 and here he is making a fool of himself and saying that Ataturk (Seculr Kaffir turkish leader) will be on the same level of 'Ali (ra) on the day of judgement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C2pX...eature=related As for burning the Ahadith in praise of 'Ali (ra), well The companions barley wrote the Quran back then I didn't know there were books of Hadith they could burn? hehe Maybe this is why 'Ali (ra) has loads of virtues in our books, we have entire chapters about his virtues, now let me show you how he was treated in the days of 'Umar (ra) for example: 'Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) narrates: al-'Abbas, Fatima, Zaid and myself have all gathered in the prophet's SAWS house, al-'Abbas asked the Prophet SAWS: "O Prophet of Allah, I have become a man of old age and my bones and health have become weak, so if you can provide me with such and such and some food then do so." He SAWS said: "I will." then Fatima may Allah be pleased with her said: "O Prophet of Allah, you know of my relation to you, so if you see that you can provide me with the same things you provided your uncle then do so." and he did what she said, then Zaid ibn Harithah asked: "O Prophet of Allah, in the past you had given me a piece of land where I could live and then you took it away from me, so if you see that you can return it then do so." and he did, I ('Ali) said: "Me O prophet of Allah, if you see fit to make me in charge of our right from the Khums which is in the book of Allah so that I may divide it in your life and no one would dispute it with me after you." so he did, Then he SAWS turned towards al-'Abbas and said: "O abu al-Fadl, will you not ask of me the same thing as your nephew?" and he replied: "No O prophet of Allah, my need is only what I have asked." So the Prophet SAWS made me in charge of it and I divided it during his life and then Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him made me in charge of it during his days and I divided it during his life and after him 'Umar may Allah be pleased with him made me in charge of it and I divided it, then in the last year of his rule he obtained a great amount of wealth and he saved us our share and sent after me and told me: "This is your money so take it and divide it the way you used to." so I ('Ali) replied to him and said: "O chief of believers! we do not need such an amount this year and the Muslims are in need of this money so offer it to them for this year." sources: Musnad Ahmad, Musannaf ibn abi Shaybah, Sunan al-Beihaqi. Grading: SAHIH.
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