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**unmalryAlalry** · 11-26-2011, 08:42 PM

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...eg-vs-tasawwuf

I wrote as a response (Post no.: 54):

Hazrat, Hadra and Jamaat aren't same. The work of Tabligh (which is known as TJ) is of such type that one can't understand it (even if he is an Alim) until he go and spend some time.

Your attitude is so common among people that we have to convince them using many tactics for overcoming it. The work of Tabligh is an imitation of the practice of Prophets. If anyone do not have experience, he will never be able to realize how prophets felt when ignorant people denied them. In fact I could not realize until I went. I studied many books regarding the struggle of Rasulullah and Sahaba , but all those things became clear to me when I went to Jamaat.

Hazrat, I'm not making Tashkeel. I'm just writing which has come in my mind. Shaykh Fusus Al Hikam (of SF) went to 3 days Jamaat. He had a great experience. Imho, you should get an experience too. Moderator gabriel wrote (Post no.: 56):

... The work of Tabligh (which is known as TJ) is of such type that one can't understand it (even if he is an Alim) until he go and spend some time... I actually do not accept that. I have met many sound logical and rational people who are not part of TJ but actually get it. The key words there being sound + logical + rational. Not to say that those with these qualities do not get it either but usually there objections are valid to some extent until proven otherwise.

I stand by the postion that either your are leader of people due to the knowledge, foresight, insight, rational, etc that Allah blesses you with or you are a follower.

The Quran explains it so simply and so beautifully that is beguiles me when people do not get ....."those who know" [Quran] i.e. if you do not know then ask who do, likewise if you are ill experience or skilled or knowledgeable or capable or competent then ask those who are. How simple can it be beyond this.

The metophor that is so befitting is that of a farmer who sows the field day and night and has done all of his life since childhood and the opposite is the Economist who went to private school then onto college and university, engaged in debates on economics and politics, etc. Now which is more competent in running an institution or giving medical advice or running a business or provide advice on political structures, etc. The farmer should appreciate and be humble that there are certain areas that he should simply be quiet and listen. Likewise I am sure there are those situations when the economist should appreciate the skills of the farmer and be quiet.

Sheikh Sudais and Sheikh Shuraim were on a Safari in Africa and they noticed an elephant pushing a tree with its head attempting to topple it over. They marvelled and kept quiet. The ranger who was a simpleton said, "you are wondering what it is doing right?" upon their affirmation he said "The elephant is not well it has something similar to a headache and the cure for it is at the roots of that tree" - SubhanAllah. could the Sheikh's have ever fathomed this? no! Moral of the story there will always be those who are well positioned then you and you should appreciate this natural order that Allah has created and always seek to be humble since it is a quality Allah appreciates [Allah has the quality of Shukr]

That is the conclusion I have drawn in the most simplest way I can. The thread is closed. But I have something more to say.

11-26-2011, 08:42 PM	#1
unmalryAlalry Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 524 Senior Member	@ Moderator gabriel Regarding the Thread "Tableeg vs tasawwuf" http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...eg-vs-tasawwuf I wrote as a response (Post no.: 54): Hazrat, Hadra and Jamaat aren't same. The work of Tabligh (which is known as TJ) is of such type that one can't understand it (even if he is an Alim) until he go and spend some time. Your attitude is so common among people that we have to convince them using many tactics for overcoming it. The work of Tabligh is an imitation of the practice of Prophets. If anyone do not have experience, he will never be able to realize how prophets felt when ignorant people denied them. In fact I could not realize until I went. I studied many books regarding the struggle of Rasulullah and Sahaba , but all those things became clear to me when I went to Jamaat. Hazrat, I'm not making Tashkeel. I'm just writing which has come in my mind. Shaykh Fusus Al Hikam (of SF) went to 3 days Jamaat. He had a great experience. Imho, you should get an experience too. Moderator gabriel wrote (Post no.: 56): ... The work of Tabligh (which is known as TJ) is of such type that one can't understand it (even if he is an Alim) until he go and spend some time... I actually do not accept that. I have met many sound logical and rational people who are not part of TJ but actually get it. The key words there being sound + logical + rational. Not to say that those with these qualities do not get it either but usually there objections are valid to some extent until proven otherwise. I stand by the postion that either your are leader of people due to the knowledge, foresight, insight, rational, etc that Allah blesses you with or you are a follower. The Quran explains it so simply and so beautifully that is beguiles me when people do not get ....."those who know" [Quran] i.e. if you do not know then ask who do, likewise if you are ill experience or skilled or knowledgeable or capable or competent then ask those who are. How simple can it be beyond this. The metophor that is so befitting is that of a farmer who sows the field day and night and has done all of his life since childhood and the opposite is the Economist who went to private school then onto college and university, engaged in debates on economics and politics, etc. Now which is more competent in running an institution or giving medical advice or running a business or provide advice on political structures, etc. The farmer should appreciate and be humble that there are certain areas that he should simply be quiet and listen. Likewise I am sure there are those situations when the economist should appreciate the skills of the farmer and be quiet. Sheikh Sudais and Sheikh Shuraim were on a Safari in Africa and they noticed an elephant pushing a tree with its head attempting to topple it over. They marvelled and kept quiet. The ranger who was a simpleton said, "you are wondering what it is doing right?" upon their affirmation he said "The elephant is not well it has something similar to a headache and the cure for it is at the roots of that tree" - SubhanAllah. could the Sheikh's have ever fathomed this? no! Moral of the story there will always be those who are well positioned then you and you should appreciate this natural order that Allah has created and always seek to be humble since it is a quality Allah appreciates [Allah has the quality of Shukr] That is the conclusion I have drawn in the most simplest way I can. The thread is closed. But I have something more to say.
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