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**Goalseexere** · 11-25-2011, 11:54 AM

I agree. Perhaps your attitude is mentioned by OP.

But Hazrat, if any layman who is engaged with TJ, uses your logic for showing the reason of not going to Mashaikh for his Islah, then what do you think about him? Are we not diving our Deen?

Your asking if a person decides not to take part in a particular Shaikhs programs or something based on the fact that this person may have some disagreements on what the Sheikh beleives or certain practices the Sheikh encourages or discourages?

I would say - That is a valid reason - here is a perfectly good example - many people on this forum are of the Deobandi persuasion, So if say you were invited to a Hadra organized by Sheikh Al Yaqoubis Mureeds - many may go, but not participate in the hadra because they have so fiqhi based problems with permisability of Hadras in general, however, you hold no hard feelings towards Sheikh Al Yaqoubi, you just choose not to partake in this activity which you may have doubts about. - This is how I feel about TJ, I love the TJ brothers, their some of the best brothers I know. When I come to new city, i seek them out above all others because they have good akhlaq, adhab and love Islam. But when they stand up and give their bayaan and end it with "..If we do not make this effort, who will. Who will go 3 days InsaAllah?" I politely decline.

If any Mureed of any Sheikh thinks that joining something is a "Demotion" - then they need to get DEMOTED immidiatly - what pridefull person thinks "No, tableegh is for the lower level Muslims, I am initiated into a Tarriqa going back to Rasooli Akram

, I am above this Tableegh work" - My Sheikh would smack a Talib who even had this attitude in his heart and make him go live with the dogs outside for a month - and My Sheikh is no fan of Tablighi jamaat.

It does seem like people are dividing this the deen, and this is one of my problems with tablighi jamaat (I know I should stop typing, but Im going for it) - It seems that for many of the fervant laymen, who I forgive and hold no animosity towards, have made it seem as if you can not make "this effort" unless you follow the rules laid out by the TJ elders - Its not just Tableeghi jamaat who does "this effort" - tableegh and dawah goes on amongst other groups who are not affiliated with TJ, and to hold firm to some of the rules you guys hold firm too (aside from the sunnats) seems strange to me.

Please dont get upset at me for expressing my views, like I said, I love the individuals who comprise the tableeghi jamaat, and Ive been on this forum for 3 years and never attack you guys for what you do because your not hurting anyone in my mind and your not misleading anyone and you all have good pure intentions - its just not for me.

11-25-2011, 11:54 AM	#30
Goalseexere Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 598 Senior Member	I agree. Perhaps your attitude is mentioned by OP. But Hazrat, if any layman who is engaged with TJ, uses your logic for showing the reason of not going to Mashaikh for his Islah, then what do you think about him? Are we not diving our Deen? Your asking if a person decides not to take part in a particular Shaikhs programs or something based on the fact that this person may have some disagreements on what the Sheikh beleives or certain practices the Sheikh encourages or discourages? I would say - That is a valid reason - here is a perfectly good example - many people on this forum are of the Deobandi persuasion, So if say you were invited to a Hadra organized by Sheikh Al Yaqoubis Mureeds - many may go, but not participate in the hadra because they have so fiqhi based problems with permisability of Hadras in general, however, you hold no hard feelings towards Sheikh Al Yaqoubi, you just choose not to partake in this activity which you may have doubts about. - This is how I feel about TJ, I love the TJ brothers, their some of the best brothers I know. When I come to new city, i seek them out above all others because they have good akhlaq, adhab and love Islam. But when they stand up and give their bayaan and end it with "..If we do not make this effort, who will. Who will go 3 days InsaAllah?" I politely decline. If any Mureed of any Sheikh thinks that joining something is a "Demotion" - then they need to get DEMOTED immidiatly - what pridefull person thinks "No, tableegh is for the lower level Muslims, I am initiated into a Tarriqa going back to Rasooli Akram , I am above this Tableegh work" - My Sheikh would smack a Talib who even had this attitude in his heart and make him go live with the dogs outside for a month - and My Sheikh is no fan of Tablighi jamaat. It does seem like people are dividing this the deen, and this is one of my problems with tablighi jamaat (I know I should stop typing, but Im going for it) - It seems that for many of the fervant laymen, who I forgive and hold no animosity towards, have made it seem as if you can not make "this effort" unless you follow the rules laid out by the TJ elders - Its not just Tableeghi jamaat who does "this effort" - tableegh and dawah goes on amongst other groups who are not affiliated with TJ, and to hold firm to some of the rules you guys hold firm too (aside from the sunnats) seems strange to me. Please dont get upset at me for expressing my views, like I said, I love the individuals who comprise the tableeghi jamaat, and Ive been on this forum for 3 years and never attack you guys for what you do because your not hurting anyone in my mind and your not misleading anyone and you all have good pure intentions - its just not for me.
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