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Bismillah
A while ago I posted something like this and was informed that I'm being pessimistic. I see there is clear split within muslim and soon to be ex muslilm community.

You raise a lot of interesting points here and I'm sure there are many who agree with much of what you've said. The most important thing you mention is the culture of inferiority that moves people to value what Islam does not value. Western culture, of course, celebrates itself and presents itself as the highest achievement of humanity on the planet. This is normal and we can understand why it is, but we can also see these things from a place that may be hidden from them.

Western ideals focus on a number of things: the primacy of science; tolerance; equality of race; equality of sex. There are reasons why they focus on these things and these reasons may be unexpected if you do not understand the history and culture of these people, rooted in an ancient world that still lives among them even now.

It may be useful to begin with social equality - the liberation of women and the conscious opposition to racism. Western people are very concerned about defending the rights of women and they are quick to measure their own achievements in this regard against those of lesser peoples. This is primarily because women are almost universally reviled in the West. There is a legal infrastructure to support them, and without the coercive power of the state behind them, women would have no chance of achieving anything at all. Western society continues to deprecate women and to regard them as little more than vapid ornaments, useful only for the amusement of men.

Racism, is similarly a central concern because these cultures are fundamentally and irrevocably racist. You do not simply sweep away 2000 years of racial hubris by enacting a law. They are very aggressive in defending the rights of minorities because without this, minorities would be where they have always been.

Foreigners in Europe have never fared very well. For example, revisionist historians and their Zionist friends have succeeded in presenting the Holocaust as a once off freakish accident of nationalist ideology gone bad in the hands of an insane ruler, but this is very far from the case. The wholesale murder of Jews in Europe in the 1940s was only the most recent of this type of event in Western history. Western genocidal violence has had many targets but in Europe it had been most frequently directed against Jews and that for almost two millennium. In North America, state policy directed the annihilation of the native Americans without EVER questioning the moral or ethical implications of this policy. It simply did not occur to them that state directed genocide might be objectionable. They have not changed. They continue to support this type of policy in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan... where ever they happen to appear - defending their values to a tee.

Westerners are also concerned with tolerance because they have no history of this either. Throughout their own history, they have hacked and murdered their way back and forth across Europe and the Middle East killing anyone who disagreed with them, and since they never agreed about anything in the first place there was never a shortage of people to chop up into bits, to fuel their bonfires, or to rape and pillage. While they were confined to Europe by their own poverty and ignorance, they did this to one another. When they spilled out of Europe they took their mayhem with them. They outdid even the Mongols.

And as for science, they put their faith in that because they have never had anything even remotely resembling religious faith. They worshiped just about anything imaginable - rocks and trees and stars and forest spirits. They worshiped jinn and the worshiped the dead. They were compelled by Rome to accept Christianity when Rome saw in this a final means of controlling them, but they did not believe even that. They rose up and murdered the pious among them, time after time, never abandoning their primordial superstition and fear. Now they believe only in science, but they imbue even that with crazy mystic hope. The astrologers chart and the fortune cookie can still strike terror in their hearts.

So, Muslims who see in all of this some superior system are being duped big time. We are told that we ought to think critically, and that is right. We ought to think critically first about what they are offering us instead of Islam and when they come to tell us about freedom, and liberty, and human dignity we should be able to respond intelligently to say we have all of that for 14 centuries past and we can teach them something about it if they are interested... but they are not.

Salaam,

Abu Marwan