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**BalaGire** · 11-04-2011, 10:11 PM

Accepted,but your must post seems bit appealing to taqleed & tablighis,& appraising gair muqallids,recently saw a link posted by you of Shaikh Sudais (db) appraising Ahlul Hadith (i highly respect to him & his lectures & may you had provided for sake of information),but it was posted by you in reply to a brother saying gair muqallid are doing propaganda claiming shaikh sudais is ahle hadith,,either you would have presented the clear picture,or would had presented his video visiting deoband appraising them too or either you would have reconciled that which Ahlul hadith shaikh sudais meant in his lecture.And also you said Maulana saad statement seems meaningless,if you would want to have the understanding of his statement,your essence in question would be not like this (his statement is meaningless)..due to this what will one like brother pluto think?

Let me make my stance more graphic for you so that you can easily understand it but before that you have passed a ruling over me of "Ghair Muqalidism" so i need to address that. Would you let me know who has given you this right to classify someone as a Hanbali or Ghair Muqalid? I am sometimes surprised by you and your likes who pass the fatwa of Ghair Muqalidism on anyone who diagres with them. There are many Hanafis here who are much extreme in their stances regarding Tasawwuf,Istighathaa and Mawlied etc. When was the last time you called someone an undercover Barelvi here? Or Barelvis are from the brethren?
Let me tell you why you and that pluto guy pick on Ahli Hadeeths and why they pick on you as well. Its a number game. The Ahli Hadeeth know that the closest group to them are the Deos and they can easily effect them. Convincing a Barelvi is much difficult for them so they pick on you. As a result when they have started effecting the deobandi/Tablighi masses successfully , you have started picking on them. This is the main stimulus for the rant of the "peaceful loving humble" at me here.
As far as my personal stance , i put it this way

1.For me all the laymen Ahli Hadeeths and Deobandis are from Ahli Sunnah Wal Jamaa't.
2.To me all the Madhab basher pure Taqleed rejector Salafis are unacceptable.
3.To me all the extreme Sufish Deobandis are unacceptable.
4.Is the Deobandi version of Taqleed good to me ? No its not. Is the Ahli Hadeeth version of Anti Taqlidism acceptable ? No its not. I think we have to take a middle line in between extreme Muqalidism and extreme Ghair Muqalidism.
5.Tabligh is an Islaahi struggle and it has put some good impacts on the Muslim societies but is it the solution to all the mess we are facing ? Then No. Does it need some reformation so that it can become compatible with the new age scenarios.Then Yes. Are the Tablighis ready to accept that they need some reformation so that their efforts can be more productive? I don't think so.

I can put names of scholars in the three propositions to make it more graphic for you if you want.

11-04-2011, 10:11 PM	#35
BalaGire Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 452 Senior Member	Accepted,but your must post seems bit appealing to taqleed & tablighis,& appraising gair muqallids,recently saw a link posted by you of Shaikh Sudais (db) appraising Ahlul Hadith (i highly respect to him & his lectures & may you had provided for sake of information),but it was posted by you in reply to a brother saying gair muqallid are doing propaganda claiming shaikh sudais is ahle hadith,,either you would have presented the clear picture,or would had presented his video visiting deoband appraising them too or either you would have reconciled that which Ahlul hadith shaikh sudais meant in his lecture.And also you said Maulana saad statement seems meaningless,if you would want to have the understanding of his statement,your essence in question would be not like this (his statement is meaningless)..due to this what will one like brother pluto think? Let me make my stance more graphic for you so that you can easily understand it but before that you have passed a ruling over me of "Ghair Muqalidism" so i need to address that. Would you let me know who has given you this right to classify someone as a Hanbali or Ghair Muqalid? I am sometimes surprised by you and your likes who pass the fatwa of Ghair Muqalidism on anyone who diagres with them. There are many Hanafis here who are much extreme in their stances regarding Tasawwuf,Istighathaa and Mawlied etc. When was the last time you called someone an undercover Barelvi here? Or Barelvis are from the brethren? Let me tell you why you and that pluto guy pick on Ahli Hadeeths and why they pick on you as well. Its a number game. The Ahli Hadeeth know that the closest group to them are the Deos and they can easily effect them. Convincing a Barelvi is much difficult for them so they pick on you. As a result when they have started effecting the deobandi/Tablighi masses successfully , you have started picking on them. This is the main stimulus for the rant of the "peaceful loving humble" at me here. As far as my personal stance , i put it this way 1.For me all the laymen Ahli Hadeeths and Deobandis are from Ahli Sunnah Wal Jamaa't. 2.To me all the Madhab basher pure Taqleed rejector Salafis are unacceptable. 3.To me all the extreme Sufish Deobandis are unacceptable. 4.Is the Deobandi version of Taqleed good to me ? No its not. Is the Ahli Hadeeth version of Anti Taqlidism acceptable ? No its not. I think we have to take a middle line in between extreme Muqalidism and extreme Ghair Muqalidism. 5.Tabligh is an Islaahi struggle and it has put some good impacts on the Muslim societies but is it the solution to all the mess we are facing ? Then No. Does it need some reformation so that it can become compatible with the new age scenarios.Then Yes. Are the Tablighis ready to accept that they need some reformation so that their efforts can be more productive? I don't think so. I can put names of scholars in the three propositions to make it more graphic for you if you want.
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