okay you've made your intentions more than clear... but can you plz tell me what argumentive about my reply to your post (post 3)? this is really an innocent question, as i can assure you that post was neither meant to start an argument nor question your intentions of starting this thread. My second post (post 7) was a reply to quandary who was a bit sarcastic in his post... thats when i said that i hate it when threads go towards this direction. reason being is that ppl who don't have barely any knowledge of islaam will start openly disrespecting the Aalim in question. i do know that the ulama will be questioned about what they say as well, but i haven't seen a thread being made about a general person and the ulama talking, joking, questioning and mocking that person. of course if the example of a certain person is brought up and ppl want to know whether his doings are correct then its the duty of the ulama to answer from an islaamic perspective. Your intentions weren't questioned anywhere by me. And i hope that my intentions are as clear as yours now. also i would like to point out that this thread was going pretty decent and respecfully until quandary's remark. i apologise if my posts have offended anybody or came across as a personal insult... and from now on i intend staying out of these type of debates