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Old 11-02-2011, 09:56 PM   #15
wizardasa

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first of all: pride cannot be bad in islam if allah is proud. the Bible says that God is lowly and humble and that is why it is His character and we His children are supposed to be humble and lowly too. BUT if allah is proud then it seems that in islam pride is good. so muslims CAN be proud and that is good - otheriwse allah is schizophrenic and uses double standards and measurements. right?
secondly, abraham never enquired about his parents's status. quran was written 600 years after the completion of the Bible so it should stick to the truth and facts of the Bible. right? Abraham offered isaac to God, not ismael. ismael was thrown away from abraham's home.
thirdly, the point IS that we christians DO know that we already ARE saved. it is not about our pride here but about the LOVE of God. God loved us THAT much that He provided us with salvation and He redeemed us from sins and their consequences. allah never redeemed muslims and that is why they tremble and fear of their future. and quran says that sometimes allah deprives people of his grace so you never know what he is going to do, right? since he is so unpredictable...
one of allah's names is deceiver so you are constantly deceived about your life and future. i dont see any mercy in that. do you?
fourthly, we christians are made children of God and you muslims are called slaves of allah. can you see the difference in the approach?
If God is love then which god does really show His LOVE?? the answer is obvious...
Jesus IS God. Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’"
God is a Triune God - and He is ONE GOD only.

the same with you: you may be a brother and a father and a worker at the same time. one person, three roles.
God is ONE and God is Triune.
christians worship ONE GOD only
BUT in islam you deify a man (muhammad) whom you call the praised one and the glorious one
also in christianity when we get born again (accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, our spirit gets regenerated and our nature changes) we simply BELIEVE in Jesus. we dont have to say that Jesus is Lord and ezecheil is His prophet or Isaiah is His prophet
but in islam in order to become a muslim you HAVE TO say that allah is god and muhammad his prophet... saying that muhammad is a a prophet is necessary to
become a muslim...you deify a man... also muhammad never performed any miracle (unlike Jesus Christ the Messiah) but islam says that he split the moon - so in order to do it (i assume he must have gone there on the flying carpet) islam has to deify muhammad
so muslims worship allah, muslims worship muhammad a mere man (warner only) and also muslims worship Kaaba - the black stone. the definition of worship is kiss, revere, bow down to and muslims do it all.... you pray to the black stone 5 times a day, you walk around it 7 times and expect the stone TO FORGIVE !!! you your sins, you kiss it and bow down to its image... that is worship even if you deny that but your actions speak louder than your words...


Sister
Prophet SAW was sadden and Prophet Abram used to enquire about his parents status in the hereafter.
The point is there is no gurantee we muslim will be entered into paradise as one can't gurantee if they will be raised as a beliver or not. It is sheer mercy of Allah and not our choice.
The second point to grasp this life in reality is not a play thing (though most of us behave as if it is ours to live) and as such purpose is to recognise why we exist - exist as no more then humble servent of God, Unique in every sense, who begets none and nor is he begotten. Failing to realise this is a calamaty worse then anythingelse and price is punishment in the hereafter. The question is how we go about finding the pristine concept of God. It is not for us to question the sense of Justice if we do the greatest of injustice of not recognising puropose of existance which is to know God and example set for us.
As for the inhabitants of Paradise, this is the reward from Allah, the most beneficent, the most merciful and not of their own doing in reality.
There is no beleif in the heart of one who is arrogant and proud.
Allahualam
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