Jazakallah brother Nomadic. I posted your links to them and the sister and her ''friend'' who I believe is the one influecing her responsed as below: 1. 59:7 has been abused to death as a justification of using hadith books as an authoritative source. But no one seems to want to address why the Prophet forbade the writings of his non-Quranic words, and this ban was never litfed even after ...the completion of Sura 9's revelation, which was the last Sura revealed. After the prophet's death, even his companions forbade the circulation of hadith books. And all these are recorded in hadith books themselves. I'll put it up for your eyes to see. 59:7 was supposed to be refering to the Quran. Whatever God revealed to him, we as believers have to take and not dispute it. Hadiths weren't revelations. In any case, the prophet is not the hadith books. To take 4:59 and others with "Obey God and His Messenger" to mean "Obey Quran and Hadith" is a gross mistake in interpretation. Muslims cannot obey God without obeying the Messenger, because through the Messenger, God's words were delivered. But this doesn't mean everything the prophet said were God's words, that is blasphemy. Attribute to God what belongs to God, and attribute to the prophet what belonged to him. Which raises another question, how sure are "we" that all the words in hadith books were actually said by him? We had millions of fabrications, from which we have them "filtered" into 6 Sahih books, of them Muslim and Bukhari's were considered the bests, further still, only 40 ahadith were considered Qudsi. What is all this if not conjectures? What did God say about those who follow "mere conjectures"? Are we putting aside what God actually said in the Quran, in favour of the alleged "sayings of the prophet"? Next, how come of the thousands of ahadith compiled in these hadith books, not 1/2 of those thousands came from the 4 rightly guided Caliph? Weren't they supposedly the ones who spent more time with the prophet, the closests -- the ones, if among others, had more to convey what the prophet said in his lifetime? What about the ahadith from Shi'a sources? Suddenly they're all invalid because of political reasons? Do we not see now these are part of the evil, of breaking up religion into sects? God said to Muhammad: 6:159 VERILY, as for those who have broken the unity of their faith and have become sects - thou hast nothing to do with them. I therefore, following the prophet's actual Sunnah, want nothing to do with people who supports the division of Islam into sects. I see more reason in breaking these sectarian walls, and one of the ways is by questioning the authority of its source: hadith books. Abu Bakr, the first caliph said the wise words: Speak to those who would like you to transmit hadiths in the following way: “Behold! God’s book is with us, abide by what has been made lawful for you therein and avoid what has been prohibited". Zahabi, Tezkiratul Huffaz, Bukhari Did I just quote Bukhari's book? What happened there? I doubt the same conflict would happen if God protects hadith books from mistakes and contradictions. We never pay attention to details like this, yet we we get angry for not being taken seriously. Seriously? 2. thanks. You took the words right out of my mouth. In my investigations and search.. I found what you said to be true. In fact, many who sincerely searched, with no preconceptions found the same things. I think people need to search fo...r truth with a blank slate first, not try to justify what they already believe. 3. By the way, there are websites and books for all points of view. So, if you believe in any ideology at all, you can find numerous sources, and very reputable ones to support your views. MAny scholars disagree with each other and argue oppos...ing points of view. WHO to follow then? So I urge anyone who wants to seek the truth of any matter to go to source, think, have a set of objective criteria, be discerning. Don't just accept something a scholar or any other human being said without investigating. Every human being is obligated to seek truth and believe with his heart, not just blindly following. On the day of judgement, we answer for ourselves. Scholars are no more human than we are. God is within all of us. Ask Allah for guidance. NOT scholars. 4. Some quotes from hadith.. and these are from sahih books. Please judge the veracity of these statements. Hadith: The earth rests upon a fish. Those whose destination is paradise will in the first place eat from the liver of this fish. Bukhar...i Hadith: Women’s devotion and intellect are defective. Sahihi Bukhari Hadith: There are three things that are inauspicious: a woman, a house and a horse. Abu Davud, Týb, Muslim, Salam, Bukhari, Nikah Hadith: “The dead will suffer for the tears of his/her family will shed for him/her.” Bukhari, Jemiz Contradiction with Quran: 38 – No soul bears sins of another soul. 53 The Star, 38 Hadith: A group of people from the Urayna and Ukala tribes came to Medina and were converted into Islam. As they had been affected by the changing weather, the Prophet suggested they drink camel urine. The men scattered the camels and killed the shepherd. The Prophet had his men catch them and cut off their hands and feet, remove their eyes from their sockets and let them perish in the desert. When we attempted to give them some water, the Prophet thwarted us from our attempt.” Bukhari, Hanbal. Hmm.. the prophet was cruel?? Hard to believe.. but its in sahih bukhari Contradictions between hadith.. The first contradictory hadith: Drawing blood violates a fast. Tirmizi Fast, Abu Davud Fast, Bukhari Fast. The second contradictory hadith: Drawing blood was administered to the Prophet while observing the fast. Abu Davud Fast, Tirmizi Fast, Bukhari Medicine. Should i continue?? The verdict is clear... only the QURAN IS CONSISTENT and MANY SCIENTISTS CONVERTED because of the quran. Not the same can be said for hadith... and these are SAHIH hadith. BE CAREFUL of following blindly. 5. Only from hadith books do we get the prophet imaged into a misogynist saying things unwise, unbecoming of the alleged claim that he emulated the Quran. This too only reinforces the "oppositions" claim that the Quran is a violent, sexist book. Astaghfirullah! I do hope the other brothers here can help as well before these two are led astray by the whisperings of doubt by shaitan. Please do give advise and help brothers and how to bring them back to the right path, Jazakallah.