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**Cemeuncex** · 10-18-2011, 04:08 AM

I have always been sure of the idea that Deobandi version of Tasawwuf is impractical. It is evident from this article that though Deobandis agree with the sufis on the basic tenets of Tasawwuf , the Sufis (yet to be decided that who has the authority to speak for the Sufis , representing the whole) are not ready to accept Deobandis as Sufis. They are repeating the century old allegation of being 'Wahabi' against them.
One has to look deeper into the issue to understand this contradiction.The basic question which has to be addressed is that though Deobandis accet Ibn Al Arabi as shaykh e Akbar , the Jamhoor of Deobandi Akabir has accepted Wahdat ul Wujood , they accept the validity of many so called Silsilaas of Tasawwuf etc but why are they still being called Wahabis? A Deobandi will say that these are the 'fake sufis' who call us Wahabis but who are they to call someone a fake Sufi? Their is no agrred upon text of Sufism so that one can use it to classify someone as being real or fake. The tradition of Tasawwuf has been very diverse and its not a monolithic tradition at all. The real reason for these allegations in my view is that Deobandis have somewhat tried to establish Islam through Jihhad and Tabligh while Tasawwuf has historically served as an opposition to the practical Islam. Even the conflict can be seen with in the Deobandis. Sufis vs Tablighi and orthodox Ulama vs Pir Zulifiqar Ahmed Naqashbandi vs orthodox Ulama are some good examples.
The converse of the following verse has occurred.

Shab ko mai khoob pee, subh ko tauba kar li
Rind kay rind rahay, haath say jannat na gayee

Assalamu alaykum brother

The reason for me posting the article was to show the deobandi brothers that the barelwis are their real enemies, not the salafis. I understand that you dont agree with deobandis on every issue but please, for the sake of Islam, try to work with them and lessen the argumentation and division with them as we have bigger fish to fry. We are being attacked left right and centre, even by many so called muslims. Deobandis and salafis must unite against barelwis, shia, secularists, kufr sects (ahmadiyyah, qur'aaniyyoon etc), western secular capitalists, israelis, we have battles on so many fronts. deobanids and salafis do not consider each other as disbelievers and agree on so many levels so please bro, focus on unity with them so we can combine efforts on much worse enemies. Look at these barelwis. What enemies of islam they are:

http://sunninews.wordpress.com/

"“The Wahabi hardliners are spending billions of dollars to hurt the democratic and secular fabric of this country built over centuries through peaceful activities of the Sufi saints.”

Asked if he would include Darul Uloom Deoband and the All-India Muslim Personal Law Board among institutions responsible for the spread of extremism, the Maulana, somewhat indirectly, agreed with the questioner, saying they subscribed to an ideology that was aggressive and hardline.

The Maulana said the time had come for Muslims to send a message out to the government that “moderate Muslims will guard Indian soil against the influence of [Saudi] petro dollars.”

Dont you guys see? You all seem to lean more towards barelwis than you do with salafis. Deobandis and salafis, love the shariah, love orthodox islam, we disagree on relatievly minor issues. Meanwhile the barelwis are pledging allegience to the mushrik private part+cow worshipping hindu government of india and trying to influence the government into putting presureon the deobandi maddrassas.

You all treat salafis as the enemy #1 and this is a mistake by Allah!!!

10-18-2011, 04:08 AM	#4
Cemeuncex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 407 Senior Member	I have always been sure of the idea that Deobandi version of Tasawwuf is impractical. It is evident from this article that though Deobandis agree with the sufis on the basic tenets of Tasawwuf , the Sufis (yet to be decided that who has the authority to speak for the Sufis , representing the whole) are not ready to accept Deobandis as Sufis. They are repeating the century old allegation of being 'Wahabi' against them. One has to look deeper into the issue to understand this contradiction.The basic question which has to be addressed is that though Deobandis accet Ibn Al Arabi as shaykh e Akbar , the Jamhoor of Deobandi Akabir has accepted Wahdat ul Wujood , they accept the validity of many so called Silsilaas of Tasawwuf etc but why are they still being called Wahabis? A Deobandi will say that these are the 'fake sufis' who call us Wahabis but who are they to call someone a fake Sufi? Their is no agrred upon text of Sufism so that one can use it to classify someone as being real or fake. The tradition of Tasawwuf has been very diverse and its not a monolithic tradition at all. The real reason for these allegations in my view is that Deobandis have somewhat tried to establish Islam through Jihhad and Tabligh while Tasawwuf has historically served as an opposition to the practical Islam. Even the conflict can be seen with in the Deobandis. Sufis vs Tablighi and orthodox Ulama vs Pir Zulifiqar Ahmed Naqashbandi vs orthodox Ulama are some good examples. The converse of the following verse has occurred. Shab ko mai khoob pee, subh ko tauba kar li Rind kay rind rahay, haath say jannat na gayee Assalamu alaykum brother The reason for me posting the article was to show the deobandi brothers that the barelwis are their real enemies, not the salafis. I understand that you dont agree with deobandis on every issue but please, for the sake of Islam, try to work with them and lessen the argumentation and division with them as we have bigger fish to fry. We are being attacked left right and centre, even by many so called muslims. Deobandis and salafis must unite against barelwis, shia, secularists, kufr sects (ahmadiyyah, qur'aaniyyoon etc), western secular capitalists, israelis, we have battles on so many fronts. deobanids and salafis do not consider each other as disbelievers and agree on so many levels so please bro, focus on unity with them so we can combine efforts on much worse enemies. Look at these barelwis. What enemies of islam they are: http://sunninews.wordpress.com/ "“The Wahabi hardliners are spending billions of dollars to hurt the democratic and secular fabric of this country built over centuries through peaceful activities of the Sufi saints.” Asked if he would include Darul Uloom Deoband and the All-India Muslim Personal Law Board among institutions responsible for the spread of extremism, the Maulana, somewhat indirectly, agreed with the questioner, saying they subscribed to an ideology that was aggressive and hardline. The Maulana said the time had come for Muslims to send a message out to the government that “moderate Muslims will guard Indian soil against the influence of [Saudi] petro dollars.” Dont you guys see? You all seem to lean more towards barelwis than you do with salafis. Deobandis and salafis, love the shariah, love orthodox islam, we disagree on relatievly minor issues. Meanwhile the barelwis are pledging allegience to the mushrik private part+cow worshipping hindu government of india and trying to influence the government into putting presureon the deobandi maddrassas. You all treat salafis as the enemy #1 and this is a mistake by Allah!!!
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