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**Teareerah** · 04-03-2010, 06:16 AM

Allamah Saharanpuri is saying:
Below the ankles without pride is mamnu' tanzihan - light prohibition = makhruh tahriman - severe dislike
Below the ankles with pride is mamnu' tahriman - prohibitively (strongly) probited = haraam

Allamah Saharanpuri did not say makhruh tanzihan for below the ankles without pride - but rather mamnu' tanzihan

Shaykh Khalil Ahmad is in fact quoting the ulama as he himself states. The words come straight from Imam al-Nawawi whose known position is karaha tahriman with khuyala and karaha tanzihan without. The use of the word mamnu does not change the meaning. Nonetheless the important difference between the two views is in the fact one draws a distinction between the presence/absence of conceit while the other draws a distinction between purposeful/accidental isbal. Besides, it may be the case Shaykh Khalil Ahmad's view is the same as the two Uthmanis as the mu'alliq of Badhl al-Majhud and his main student Shaykh Muhammad Zakariyya took the opinion that the narrations prohibiting isbal are not restricted to times when conceit is present using the fact Umm Salamah asked about the ruling for women which she would not have done were the prohibition only for conceit (Awjaz al-Masalik, Dar al-Qalam, Damascus, vol. 16. p. 184). Shaykh Zakariyya also quotes extensively from Ibn Hajar just as Mufti Taqi does in order to bolster this point of view.

04-03-2010, 06:16 AM	#5
Teareerah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	Allamah Saharanpuri is saying: Below the ankles without pride is mamnu' tanzihan - light prohibition = makhruh tahriman - severe dislike Below the ankles with pride is mamnu' tahriman - prohibitively (strongly) probited = haraam Allamah Saharanpuri did not say makhruh tanzihan for below the ankles without pride - but rather mamnu' tanzihan Shaykh Khalil Ahmad is in fact quoting the ulama as he himself states. The words come straight from Imam al-Nawawi whose known position is karaha tahriman with khuyala and karaha tanzihan without. The use of the word mamnu does not change the meaning. Nonetheless the important difference between the two views is in the fact one draws a distinction between the presence/absence of conceit while the other draws a distinction between purposeful/accidental isbal. Besides, it may be the case Shaykh Khalil Ahmad's view is the same as the two Uthmanis as the mu'alliq of Badhl al-Majhud and his main student Shaykh Muhammad Zakariyya took the opinion that the narrations prohibiting isbal are not restricted to times when conceit is present using the fact Umm Salamah asked about the ruling for women which she would not have done were the prohibition only for conceit (Awjaz al-Masalik, Dar al-Qalam, Damascus, vol. 16. p. 184). Shaykh Zakariyya also quotes extensively from Ibn Hajar just as Mufti Taqi does in order to bolster this point of view.
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