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I know the trick now how to get the thread closed. Start with abusing and mud-slinging and occasional slander and then outright lie ( see the proof below) . See the digression of zubair, from where to where and yet the guy pretends knows what he is talking about.

I have no problem saying he was wrong in this, He was a mujtahid.

Who told you he was Mujtahid ? You pulled this from your own pocket. Back it up from sources.

If Baqillani was Mujtahid then did he form his own Madhhab within Asharism ? What kind of Mujtahid was he and who said it. Please we don't care about your personal opinion or opinion of Naruji.

So, when you say Baqillani was wrong, who from the Asharites said that Baqillani was wrong ? So saying TWO EYES is anthropomorphism ? What about the other giant Ashari scholars who said about TWO EYES AND TWO HANDS ? are they wrong (or anthropomorphist ) as well ? and you think you know better about Ashari creed than those close or direct student of abul hasan al-Ashari himself ?

Subhanallah.... new kids on the block criticizing giants like Baqillani... what a shameful day.

Zubair some unknown person from 1432 AH criticizing the Imam Baqillani ?!
who is Zubair and who is Imam Baqillani ? No one from the Asharites said Imam baqillani made mistake except we have a newcomer zubair. I am sure zubair is not Asharite. because real asharites respect Imam Baqillani. Read Dr. GF Haddad's bio on Imam Baqillani http://www.sunnah.org/history/Schola..._baqillani.htm

Why don't you tell us about the Qidam an-Naw' al-'Alam (wherein he went against the Ijma' as recorded by Ibn Hazm)?

zubair, you are jumping here and there. what has qidam has to do with this topic? open a new thread where will discuss that in full detail. and please don't bring ibn hazm... ibn hazm is ENEMY of ASHARITES and he declared Asharites heretics and deviant. you need to read his book before you prove to everyone that you are clueless person. So, please stop trying to pull ibn hazm when it suits you and the fact is that Ibn hazm is an enemy of Asharis.


now see the outburst of zubair, he totally lost control... read below:

Or how you guyz believe the Quran is Ghayr Makhluq yet Muhdath (a jahimi belief)?
Or that the Prophet will be seated on the throne with Allah ta'ala? Or that the fire will terminate (a jahimi belief)? Or how you (or your buddies) claimed the proposition that "that in which accidents subsists is also Hadith" that you claimed was from Jahm yet Imam Tabari (and the Ashariah and the Maturidya) held it? Or how it's possible for Allah ta'ala to do Istiqrar on a gnat? Or that the ta'wil of Harwala that Imam Tirmidhi records from the Salaf is a Jahimi tawil? I advise you to keep silent before more of your rediculousness is exposed.

i think you should keep silent. because now you started with baseless accusation following the path of naruji and others. All your claims have been answered just it has been answered above . Ibn Darbas hit the coffins nail when he clearly mentioned your types.
Keep yourself in state of denial.. TWO EYES .. TWO HANDS this is the real ASHARITE CREED.

"hat the Prophet will be seated on the throne with Allah ta'ala" another bogus claim made by zubair. like i said the guy is clueless. just doing cut-n-paste from the same old internet articles translated material of Habib Hasan Ali Saqqaf and Abdullah Habashi...same old trash....keeps resurfacing every here and then...

Dont' about Habashi, but Shaykh Ghawaji is definitly not a salafi.

We know who Ghawaji is. Ibn Darbas talked about these type of people several hundred years ago. Ibn Darbas = more reliable
Ghawaji = 0 reliability compared to ibn Darbas !

Yea LOL, laughin like a school girl i'm sure

what you// a school girl ? girls keep zubair as name ? first time i am hearing that ... do know arabic? muzakar from mu'annas ? sorry i didn't understand..please clarify.are you saying you are school girl ?

zubair, did you come across this report from the salaf : And Yahyaa bin 'Ammaar used to say, "The Jahmite Mu'tazilees were masculine (males) and the Jahmite Ash'aris were feminine (females)"
Who is this Yahya bin Ammar ?

. It was Hafidh Ibn Hajar the one whose book you rely on yet burn due to your hatred.

see the tactics, first zubair started with outburst, then slander, then accusation and now outright lie ... I challenge you to show me or prove to everyone here on the forum that i showed hatred to Ibn Hajar Asqalani. It is IBN HAJAR ASQALANI who exposed Asharites. This will be posted in seperate thread. another eye-opener and people like zubair will be in a shock and state of denial just as these types were when First time it was posted that it is the CORE ASHARITE CREED ABOUT TWO EYES !!!

I wouldn't be surprised why the reason why your defending the current Ibanah, is because of the two 'Aynayn which you guyz are so obsessed with, included with that feet, hands, mouth, etc.

Not you guys, but you scholars like IBN DARBAS who talked about your types hundreds of years ago. Yes, we sunnis are obessed.

I can understand why Jahmis affiliated with Kullabi Asharites deny the book... as explained by IBN DARBAS in his risala.

And what about the expression Ya Sakin as-Sama', Is it why? Plz don't expose yourself further.

yeah, what about it ? clueless guy... don't make yourself laughing stock brother. you started with outburst, then slander, then accusations and then a lie about hatred regarding ibn hajar and now you embarrass yourself.

I ask you, Do all of the manuscripts agree or no? Did Shaykh Ghawaji lie when he said that the manuscripts he checked differed?

is Ibn Asakir lying when he reported about TWO EYES ? or is IBN ASAKIR less reliable then Shakh Ghawaji ?

And when did we start taking our Jarh wa Ta'dil from Christians especially when we have Ulema saying he was an Imam of AhlusSunnah? This is what hatred of the salaf leads to!

I don't know who you are referring to as christian ? are you referring to this report which Dhahabi said from Abul Abbas Baghawi : : Faythoon the Christian said to me: May Allaah have mercy upon Abdullaah [bin Sa'eed bin Kullaab]. He used to come to me to the Church and would take from me, and if he remained alive, we would have turned the Muslims into Christians. So it was said to Faythoon: What do you say about al-Maseeh [Easaa bin Maryam]? He said: [The same] as what the people of your Sunnah say regarding the Qur'an.


Brother, i think Dhahabi has more knowledge about Jarh and Tadil then whatever you claim. you have already demostrate your incompetence. save your embarrassment and learn first about TWO EYES ASHARITES and come back .