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**TeNuaTe** · 01-09-2011, 07:53 AM

Its not your place to decide life and death. Whats next? You decide abulayl or myself or one of the moderators has blasphemed on SF and have him killed and then post a few hadith to back it up? You need more than a hadith to support a killing--you need an Islamic government, an Amirul Mumineen and a FULL Shariah law... something that Pakistan is nowhere near. If you don't have that, then its vigilanteism and opens the door to fasad.

Mashallah, they only love Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam when it comes to killing and anger...but when it comes to feeding the poor and helping the oppressed? Oh, suddenly they disappear into khalwa or a 40 day jamaat! You cannot claim love for Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in only one situation, you cannot be selective in your love of Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam- you must claim Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in ALL SITUATIONS!!

In the case of Pakistan, you have to use your aql. Restraining oneself from killing and bloodshed, even in the case of a blasphemer, requires a greater amount of love for the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam, than does killing a blasphemer, if one keeps the consequences for the entire society in mind. With the amount of violence in that region of the world, more bloodshed will only accelerate anarchy and societal decay. No one is safe. Is that what our Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam wanted for us when he made dua for this ummah?

Here is what Tahir-ul-Qadri has to say-- hear what a "Barelwi scholar" has to say about such a law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17Df5eHVLI

And Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah on the state of Pakistan and how Pakistani can prevent it from becoming a failed state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRM-iezSzM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QICqGURjPmU

First off, Sheikh Abdullah bin Bayyah is not a resident of Pakistan, therefore, he doesn't know the situation first hand and how people react to it. The local Ulama of Pakistan do understand it, and that's why , their stance is rather reliable.

Secondly, Tahirul Qadiri is not a "Barelvi Scholar" per say, rather, he had just a limited following, and because of some of his past issues , including the fake " Rasoolullah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam DREAMS", many barelvi ulama also have had fatawa against him.

Thirdly, when it comes to the "law of the land" it is when the law of the land is not explicitly going against the deen of Allah. In this case, it IS, as a matter of fact, every other thing that serves as an insignia of Islam, is being removed from Pakistan's law.

Fourthly, talk about Ameerul Mu'mineen, law, Islamic government etc. may I know the Islamic government which was established when Rasoolullah SallAllahu alaihi wasallam ordered the death of those who blasphemed him? Sorry my brother, but your words " You need more than a hadith to support a killing" really need to be revised. All we need is a hadeeth to see what Nabi sallAllahu alaihi wasallam did to the blasphemers, especially in case of a country whose puppet government and army is hellbent on destroying the Islamic Emirates, killing Mujahideen, destroying madaris and masajid, and now removing every Islamic bit from its law.

I remember asking an aalim a similar question about the punishment of the Gustakh, and he said "First go an kill the gustakh, then come ask for fatwa.".... now I understand what he meant.

01-09-2011, 07:53 AM	#37
TeNuaTe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 449 Senior Member	Its not your place to decide life and death. Whats next? You decide abulayl or myself or one of the moderators has blasphemed on SF and have him killed and then post a few hadith to back it up? You need more than a hadith to support a killing--you need an Islamic government, an Amirul Mumineen and a FULL Shariah law... something that Pakistan is nowhere near. If you don't have that, then its vigilanteism and opens the door to fasad. Mashallah, they only love Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam when it comes to killing and anger...but when it comes to feeding the poor and helping the oppressed? Oh, suddenly they disappear into khalwa or a 40 day jamaat! You cannot claim love for Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in only one situation, you cannot be selective in your love of Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam- you must claim Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasalam in ALL SITUATIONS!! In the case of Pakistan, you have to use your aql. Restraining oneself from killing and bloodshed, even in the case of a blasphemer, requires a greater amount of love for the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam, than does killing a blasphemer, if one keeps the consequences for the entire society in mind. With the amount of violence in that region of the world, more bloodshed will only accelerate anarchy and societal decay. No one is safe. Is that what our Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam wanted for us when he made dua for this ummah? Here is what Tahir-ul-Qadri has to say-- hear what a "Barelwi scholar" has to say about such a law. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17Df5eHVLI And Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah on the state of Pakistan and how Pakistani can prevent it from becoming a failed state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRM-iezSzM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QICqGURjPmU First off, Sheikh Abdullah bin Bayyah is not a resident of Pakistan, therefore, he doesn't know the situation first hand and how people react to it. The local Ulama of Pakistan do understand it, and that's why , their stance is rather reliable. Secondly, Tahirul Qadiri is not a "Barelvi Scholar" per say, rather, he had just a limited following, and because of some of his past issues , including the fake " Rasoolullah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam DREAMS", many barelvi ulama also have had fatawa against him. Thirdly, when it comes to the "law of the land" it is when the law of the land is not explicitly going against the deen of Allah. In this case, it IS, as a matter of fact, every other thing that serves as an insignia of Islam, is being removed from Pakistan's law. Fourthly, talk about Ameerul Mu'mineen, law, Islamic government etc. may I know the Islamic government which was established when Rasoolullah SallAllahu alaihi wasallam ordered the death of those who blasphemed him? Sorry my brother, but your words " *You need more than a hadith to support a killing*" really need to be revised. All we need is a hadeeth to see what Nabi sallAllahu alaihi wasallam did to the blasphemers, especially in case of a country whose puppet government and army is hellbent on destroying the Islamic Emirates, killing Mujahideen, destroying madaris and masajid, and now removing every Islamic bit from its law. I remember asking an aalim a similar question about the punishment of the Gustakh, and he said "First go an kill the gustakh, then come ask for fatwa.".... now I understand what he meant.
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