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**omaculer** · 02-14-2011, 07:29 PM

What you are refering to are purely Shia based beliefs, and it both saddens & angers me that you mention that your family, who are Barelwi orientated hold such beliefs...but unfortunately it does not surprise me.

Panjtan Paak, refers to those 5 personalities you mentioned, who the Shia consider as being absolutely pure & free from sin etc. It is the beliefs of the Ahlus Sunnat Wal Jammah, that these people are indeed those who will enter Jannah, as they have been granted/informed about their position(s) in Jannah, during their lifetime. However, the Shias, in their ignorance, fail to include the other 3 daughters of Hazrat Muhammed

& the wives of our Prophet Hazrat Muhammed

, as being paak, which raises the question;

How do you view the great people you are excluding from those that are paak? Are they implementing that they are not paak?

You say that you "usually hear Barelwis always using this term & that they claim if you want something or start something use panjtans name or something like this..."

There's two thing there that need to be mentioned;

1) You mentioned you have heard Barelwis say this, therefore I have to say no more...
2) When the Ahlus Sunnat Wal Jammah want something they ask Allah SWT to make their goal achievable & if we start something we do so with 'Bismillah al rahman al rahim'....

In regards to them saying that Wahabis don't believe in Hazrat Ali (RA), you need to clarify who they are referring to when they say Wahabis...because from what my experience tells me, many Barelwis will resort to calling anyone a Wahabi, who disapproves of their practices, or does something that is different to them - (yes, I know it's a generalization, but it's from my own experiences) The Ahlus Sunnat Wal Jammah accept all four Khalifas, without question & we believe that their was no hate between them...

Finally, how can someone be regraded as mushkil kusha (remover of difficulties), when Hazrat Ali (RA), himself, bowed down to Allah

, in his times of need?

If I wasn't at work, and I didn't have all my work colleagues staring at me ,furiously typing away, I would submit a more concise, comprehensive and fully referenced reply....but in the mean time, this is the best I can do....

02-14-2011, 07:29 PM	#4
omaculer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	What you are refering to are purely Shia based beliefs, and it both saddens & angers me that you mention that your family, who are Barelwi orientated hold such beliefs...but unfortunately it does not surprise me. Panjtan Paak, refers to those 5 personalities you mentioned, who the Shia consider as being absolutely pure & free from sin etc. It is the beliefs of the Ahlus Sunnat Wal Jammah, that these people are indeed those who will enter Jannah, as they have been granted/informed about their position(s) in Jannah, during their lifetime. However, the Shias, in their ignorance, fail to include the other 3 daughters of Hazrat Muhammed & the wives of our Prophet Hazrat Muhammed , as being paak, which raises the question; How do you view the great people you are excluding from those that are paak? Are they implementing that they are not paak? You say that you "usually hear Barelwis always using this term & that they claim if you want something or start something use panjtans name or something like this..." There's two thing there that need to be mentioned; 1) You mentioned you have heard Barelwis say this, therefore I have to say no more... 2) When the Ahlus Sunnat Wal Jammah want something they ask Allah SWT to make their goal achievable & if we start something we do so with 'Bismillah al rahman al rahim'.... In regards to them saying that Wahabis don't believe in Hazrat Ali (RA), you need to clarify who they are referring to when they say Wahabis...because from what my experience tells me, many Barelwis will resort to calling anyone a Wahabi, who disapproves of their practices, or does something that is different to them - (yes, I know it's a generalization, but it's from my own experiences) The Ahlus Sunnat Wal Jammah accept all four Khalifas, without question & we believe that their was no hate between them... Finally, how can someone be regraded as mushkil kusha (remover of difficulties), when Hazrat Ali (RA), himself, bowed down to Allah , in his times of need? If I wasn't at work, and I didn't have all my work colleagues staring at me ,furiously typing away, I would submit a more concise, comprehensive and fully referenced reply....but in the mean time, this is the best I can do....
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