for replies. Well barelwi call everyone that isnt a barelwi a wahhabi lol. Ok so like in my family they believe they should start with Allah swt name, then panjtan name, so i guess they are trying to do tawassul but i dont think they are doing it correctly, cuz i hear them say stuff like panjtan ki zaat(sos my urdu is bad)..has anyone else heard any other barelvis do something similar. Also using pious people as a wasila is permissible i believe so if they use panjtan as a wasila thats ok is it ?