Hmm. 2 points / 1)There's a difference between shiddah and hiddah hiddah is good shiddah isnt. 2) Harshness is good if it is done thinking we are worthless and other person is better than us. And we are doing it out of rahmah for other person. So if it is done by a deobandi who is on a path of sulook or our akabir I think it is okay, because they explained why they do what they do. And if you say there are not telling the truth- you can never say so as "Did you split open his chest"? *ps i THINK i am becoming more hardcore deobandi than I have ever been before LOL But this time my love of deoband is grounded in the deep reading of the lives of the akabir and the reading of fiqh hadith and sufi ulema/buzurgs And its so awesome-particl Mawlana Anwar Shah(ra)