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**GeorgeEckland** · 09-06-2011, 01:50 PM

As Salamu Alaykum

I dont know why you keep posting up a video about Shia when most of the people on this forum arent Shia but Sunni.

Posting up youtube videos of certain groups doesnt mean all traditional sunnis do that.

No legimate tariqa or madhhab in traditional sunni islam has ever validated sujud to anyone but Allah.

Again..you are recycling arguments and debates that have been settled and refuted already. It is obvious that you are new to this forum and are only starting fitnah.

Wahhabi movement is a deviant group. Many forum members already have posted the traditional sunni refutations to your group. I suggest you use the search option on this forum.

First of all, about the video, many who claim to be Sunni do the same thing and many many graves. No one can deny this. I asked you a specific question and you didnt answer, if they said "Ya Jilani" instead of "Ya Hussain" would it make it different? No, it wouldnt. The concept is the same.

If you want a video of some claiming to be Sunni, heres one. From An AlJazeera documentary, affirming they go to grave to ask for marriage and Barakah, and build huge buildings on the graves they worship. Just like the Shia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n36dz-eKMd4

Another documentary on graves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wt9-2c5tA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wt9-2c5tA

Also, they make Hajj to some graves!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRo7P5gKnm8

And then they say "traditional Sunni Islam" Maybe traditional myths and superstitions and innovations.

Theres no refutation for graveworship. Trying to give it an islamic cover with weak hadeeths, and verses taken out of context, doesnt make it "traditional". Its far, far from the Sunnah of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Ya Ali madad here, Ya Jilani madad there, Ya Badawi Ya Shafi'i Ya Hussain. What happened to "Ya Allah?" Ya Rahman Ya Raheem Ya Wadood Ya Dhal Jalal Wal Ikram. Allah who said make dua to Him and He will respond. What happenned to calling Allah, by His names?

Its all lost with some. Even if they "stretch" after waking up they'd say "Ya Ali". What is this?

As for your name calling, name ONE belief in Aqeedah, that sheikh Muhammad Bin AbdulWahab brought that didnt exist centuries before he was born. You cannot because theres none, and all he did was reject graveworship, and ask to return to pure Islam, Qur'aan and Sunnah.

You admit that there are groups who may claim to be either Sunni, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, yet make sujood to their sheikhs.

Likewise, is calling Ya Jilani madad, "traditional Sunni islam?" yes or no, far from name calling? Can you answer with a a simple yes or no?

You cant call others names and expect them to be quiet. Defending graveworship is whats fitnah, not otherwise.

09-06-2011, 01:50 PM	#12
GeorgeEckland Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	As Salamu Alaykum I dont know why you keep posting up a video about Shia when most of the people on this forum arent Shia but Sunni. Posting up youtube videos of certain groups doesnt mean all traditional sunnis do that. No legimate tariqa or madhhab in traditional sunni islam has ever validated sujud to anyone but Allah. Again..you are recycling arguments and debates that have been settled and refuted already. It is obvious that you are new to this forum and are only starting fitnah. Wahhabi movement is a deviant group. Many forum members already have posted the traditional sunni refutations to your group. I suggest you use the search option on this forum. First of all, about the video, many who claim to be Sunni do the same thing and many many graves. No one can deny this. I asked you a specific question and you didnt answer, if they said "Ya Jilani" instead of "Ya Hussain" would it make it different? No, it wouldnt. The concept is the same. If you want a video of some claiming to be Sunni, heres one. From An AlJazeera documentary, affirming they go to grave to ask for marriage and Barakah, and build huge buildings on the graves they worship. Just like the Shia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n36dz-eKMd4 Another documentary on graves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wt9-2c5tA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wt9-2c5tA Also, they make Hajj to some graves! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRo7P5gKnm8 And then they say "traditional Sunni Islam" Maybe traditional myths and superstitions and innovations. Theres no refutation for graveworship. Trying to give it an islamic cover with weak hadeeths, and verses taken out of context, doesnt make it "traditional". Its far, far from the Sunnah of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Ya Ali madad here, Ya Jilani madad there, Ya Badawi Ya Shafi'i Ya Hussain. What happened to "Ya Allah?" Ya Rahman Ya Raheem Ya Wadood Ya Dhal Jalal Wal Ikram. Allah who said make dua to Him and He will respond. What happenned to calling Allah, by His names? Its all lost with some. Even if they "stretch" after waking up they'd say "Ya Ali". What is this? As for your name calling, name ONE belief in Aqeedah, that sheikh Muhammad Bin AbdulWahab brought that didnt exist centuries before he was born. You cannot because theres none, and all he did was reject graveworship, and ask to return to pure Islam, Qur'aan and Sunnah. You admit that there are groups who may claim to be either Sunni, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, yet make sujood to their sheikhs. Likewise, is calling Ya Jilani madad, "traditional Sunni islam?" yes or no, far from name calling? Can you answer with a a simple yes or no? You cant call others names and expect them to be quiet. Defending graveworship is whats fitnah, not otherwise.
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