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**Allbrunette** · 08-31-2011, 04:09 AM

Assalam-O-Alaikum!

Wy don't Ulema/Mufti/Sheikh of each country just go to their country's president/head to say that we must think over Caliphate because it's the only governmental system suggested by Islam.
We must unite ...

The thing is, what is meant by "Caliphate system"? Its not just about titles. I think the more accurate term would be Al Shoora, which is pretty much democracy, but with Islamic guidelines.

I think many get caught up on the term Caliphate, but if you ask people what it means, you'd get different answers. Was the Abbasid Caliphate, an Islamic system? Whats the difference between Caliphs at the time, and kings? They were practically kings, ruling for the most part by Islam. The idea Islamic system was the one of the four rightly guided Caliphs, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, which is pretty much Shoora. "And those who have responded to their lord and established prayer and whose affair is [determined by] consultation among themselves, and from what We have provided them, they spend." (42:38).

Even what Shoura would look like, is not discussed enough, and people just focus on the "label" Caliphate.

Even here in Saudi, the Islamic laws in the end, are what the Islamic-law learned judge decides. But many judges have different opinions on many detailed issues. This makes it hard for lawyers to do their job properly, except in issues of procedures, formalities, and agreed upon principles. Judges do refer to a book on Hanbali Fiqh, which was codified, but they arent forced to rule by it.

The only codified books on Islamic law, are one in Hanafi fiqh for the most part, used right before the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and this book on Hanbali Fiqh used in Saudi. Their names are "Majallat Al Ahkaam Al Adliyyah" and "Majallat Al Ahkaam Al Shar'iyaah". In Saudi theres much debate on codifying the law, as it would not only make things clear and organized, but the law would serve as an example, and would be easily transferred to other countries, who simply adapted French (or other) laws, except in matters related to inheritance, marriage, divorce etc. The "experiment" of the Ottoman Empire didnt last long, and practically ended before it started. I think this was just a couple of years or more, before the empire fell and everything related to Islam changed with the anti Islam government that came afterwards.

This issue I think is the core of all issues, and its not simply about the title "Caliphate" which many get emotional about, but without looking into the details that should logically be the next step.

08-31-2011, 04:09 AM	#4
Allbrunette Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 375 Senior Member	Assalam-O-Alaikum! Wy don't Ulema/Mufti/Sheikh of each country just go to their country's president/head to say that we must think over Caliphate because it's the only governmental system suggested by Islam. We must unite ... The thing is, what is meant by "Caliphate system"? Its not just about titles. I think the more accurate term would be Al Shoora, which is pretty much democracy, but with Islamic guidelines. I think many get caught up on the term Caliphate, but if you ask people what it means, you'd get different answers. Was the Abbasid Caliphate, an Islamic system? Whats the difference between Caliphs at the time, and kings? They were practically kings, ruling for the most part by Islam. The idea Islamic system was the one of the four rightly guided Caliphs, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, which is pretty much Shoora. "And those who have responded to their lord and established prayer and whose affair is [determined by] consultation among themselves, and from what We have provided them, they spend." (42:38). Even what Shoura would look like, is not discussed enough, and people just focus on the "label" Caliphate. Even here in Saudi, the Islamic laws in the end, are what the Islamic-law learned judge decides. But many judges have different opinions on many detailed issues. This makes it hard for lawyers to do their job properly, except in issues of procedures, formalities, and agreed upon principles. Judges do refer to a book on Hanbali Fiqh, which was codified, but they arent forced to rule by it. The only codified books on Islamic law, are one in Hanafi fiqh for the most part, used right before the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and this book on Hanbali Fiqh used in Saudi. Their names are "Majallat Al Ahkaam Al Adliyyah" and "Majallat Al Ahkaam Al Shar'iyaah". In Saudi theres much debate on codifying the law, as it would not only make things clear and organized, but the law would serve as an example, and would be easily transferred to other countries, who simply adapted French (or other) laws, except in matters related to inheritance, marriage, divorce etc. The "experiment" of the Ottoman Empire didnt last long, and practically ended before it started. I think this was just a couple of years or more, before the empire fell and everything related to Islam changed with the anti Islam government that came afterwards. This issue I think is the core of all issues, and its not simply about the title "Caliphate" which many get emotional about, but without looking into the details that should logically be the next step.
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