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**Diandaplaipsy** · 08-23-2011, 03:09 AM

Asalamwalaikum,
Game Theory -
I think it would be very fair to say that Tariq Ramadhan is a western academic scholar. Like you say, after all he has attained the rank of professor (and has done so at numerous institutions). Islamically however, where has he learnt his knowledge? Is he a scholar in the sense that he can be considered a 'Shaykh', a member of the 'ulema' or someone senior enough to issue a fatwa? I think not and he would agree with that assessment also.

Regarding Nouman Ali Khan - He is a very humble brother who gets genuinely annoyed if he is called either a scholar or a shaykh. As an Arabic Grammarian though, and as an Arabic linguist, his credentials are impeccable. It is from this he approaches the Quran. I think he is doing incredible work in making the Quran accessible to muslims in the US and his company Bayyinah are alhumdullilah doing quite well.
For someone not familiar with NAK, I think this lecture is absolutely superb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfflgF_H0kY - In this he explains that the Quran is a linguistic miracle and it is hugely beneficial for us to learn Arabic to appreciate this miracle.

Are you saying Tariq does not qualify to be called an academic scholar just because he got his accolades from a western education institution?

This resonates to what some Muslims are saying, "We are more Muslim when we are against the West or the Western values" as if our parameter to assess our behavior is our distance from or opposition to the West. They are promoting this kind of binary vision of the world that comes from a very long time back in the Muslim psyche. We have to get rid of this kind of understanding and evaluate if an act or a situation is Islamic or not, on the scale of the Islamic ethics and values per se, not against any other civilization

Our values are not based on "otherness." Our values are universal. We have to come to the understanding that it's not "us against them," it's us on the scale of our own values. This defines the place I live in. That is to say, our role in this world is to understand that we are a witness to the Islamic message before mankind.

I would like to hear your input on this thread
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ht=#post652763

08-23-2011, 03:09 AM	#19
Diandaplaipsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 384 Senior Member	Asalamwalaikum, Game Theory - I think it would be very fair to say that Tariq Ramadhan is a western academic scholar. Like you say, after all he has attained the rank of professor (and has done so at numerous institutions). Islamically however, where has he learnt his knowledge? Is he a scholar in the sense that he can be considered a 'Shaykh', a member of the 'ulema' or someone senior enough to issue a fatwa? I think not and he would agree with that assessment also. Regarding Nouman Ali Khan - He is a very humble brother who gets genuinely annoyed if he is called either a scholar or a shaykh. As an Arabic Grammarian though, and as an Arabic linguist, his credentials are impeccable. It is from this he approaches the Quran. I think he is doing incredible work in making the Quran accessible to muslims in the US and his company Bayyinah are alhumdullilah doing quite well. For someone not familiar with NAK, I think this lecture is absolutely superb. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfflgF_H0kY - In this he explains that the Quran is a linguistic miracle and it is hugely beneficial for us to learn Arabic to appreciate this miracle. Are you saying Tariq does not qualify to be called an academic scholar just because he got his accolades from a western education institution? This resonates to what some Muslims are saying, "We are more Muslim when we are against the West or the Western values" as if our parameter to assess our behavior is our distance from or opposition to the West. They are promoting this kind of binary vision of the world that comes from a very long time back in the Muslim psyche. We have to get rid of this kind of understanding and evaluate if an act or a situation is Islamic or not, on the scale of the Islamic ethics and values per se, not against any other civilization Our values are not based on "otherness." Our values are universal. We have to come to the understanding that it's not "us against them," it's us on the scale of our own values. This defines the place I live in. That is to say, our role in this world is to understand that we are a witness to the Islamic message before mankind. I would like to hear your input on this thread http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ht=#post652763
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