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**casinobonusese** · 08-23-2011, 04:27 AM

Are you saying Tariq does not qualify to be called an academic scholar just because he got his accolades from a western education institution?

This resonates to what some Muslims are saying, "We are more Muslim when we are against the West or the Western values" as if our parameter to assess our behavior is our distance from or opposition to the West. They are promoting this kind of binary vision of the world that comes from a very long time back in the Muslim psyche. We have to get rid of this kind of understanding and evaluate if an act or a situation is Islamic or not, on the scale of the Islamic ethics and values per se, not against any other civilization

Our values are not based on "otherness." Our values are universal. We have to come to the understanding that it's not "us against them," it's us on the scale of our own values. This defines the place I live in. That is to say, our role in this world is to understand that we are a witness to the Islamic message before mankind.

I would like to hear your input on this thread
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ht=#post652763

Of course he's a scholar but not in that sense. I mean do you think a PhD in Islamic Studies from the University of Geneva is equivalent to studying at one of the finest muslim universities in the world?
I think its best if i rephrase. In the UK for example, Oxford university has a very esteemed reputation. Getting a degree from there is considered more prestigious than gaining it from university of Wolverhampton. Especially since the university of wolverhampton may not even be accredited in xyz field. Now when we're dealing with islam, we have to re-evaluate our metrics. Its only because we have been completely inculcated with this western claim to universalism that we subconsciously denigrate our own institutions.
To get a Phd is what bachelors 3 years, masters 1 year, phd 3 years = 7 years. Ask someone else here, how many years education our Shaykh's have.

08-23-2011, 04:27 AM	#20
casinobonusese Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	Are you saying Tariq does not qualify to be called an academic scholar just because he got his accolades from a western education institution? This resonates to what some Muslims are saying, "We are more Muslim when we are against the West or the Western values" as if our parameter to assess our behavior is our distance from or opposition to the West. They are promoting this kind of binary vision of the world that comes from a very long time back in the Muslim psyche. We have to get rid of this kind of understanding and evaluate if an act or a situation is Islamic or not, on the scale of the Islamic ethics and values per se, not against any other civilization Our values are not based on "otherness." Our values are universal. We have to come to the understanding that it's not "us against them," it's us on the scale of our own values. This defines the place I live in. That is to say, our role in this world is to understand that we are a witness to the Islamic message before mankind. I would like to hear your input on this thread http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ht=#post652763 Of course he's a scholar but not in that sense. I mean do you think a PhD in Islamic Studies from the University of Geneva is equivalent to studying at one of the finest muslim universities in the world? I think its best if i rephrase. In the UK for example, Oxford university has a very esteemed reputation. Getting a degree from there is considered more prestigious than gaining it from university of Wolverhampton. Especially since the university of wolverhampton may not even be accredited in xyz field. Now when we're dealing with islam, we have to re-evaluate our metrics. Its only because we have been completely inculcated with this western claim to universalism that we subconsciously denigrate our own institutions. To get a Phd is what bachelors 3 years, masters 1 year, phd 3 years = 7 years. Ask someone else here, how many years education our Shaykh's have.
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