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**JakeBarkings** · 10-28-2009, 05:39 AM

Assalâmu 'Alaykum akhî,

It might be that he is among those who believed that he made repentance, it is known in Ibn Taymiyyah's books that he believes Allâh Most High has a place. If Imâm 'Aliy al-Qâri makes takfîr upon one who attributes place to Allâh Most High then it is highly possible that he believed that Ibn Taymiyyah repented.

Akhî, whether ithbât or ta'wîl is not important regarding this, the important thing is that he is against attributing direction, place, limit etc. to Allâh Most High. Ibn Taymiyyah attributed place and direction to Allâh Most High.

BarakAllâhu fîkum

I think this is an issue that needs to be investigated. We also have the following quote:

Ibn Taymiyya - one of the Hanbalîs - committed excess when he declared it prohibited to travel to visit the Prophet just as other than him also committed excess saying that it is obligatory in the Religion to know that the Visitation is an act that draws near to Allâh (qurba) and whoever denies it is judged to be a disbeliever (kâfir). Yet the latter view is probably closer to being correct than the first, because to declare prohibited something the Ulema by Consensus declared desirable (mustahabb), is disbelief. For it is graver than to declare prohibited something agreed to be merely permitted (mubâh.)

Al-Qârî, Sharh. al-Shifâ' (2:514).

Reported here:

http://www.livingislam.org/n/itay_e.html#fn-27

10-28-2009, 05:39 AM	#19
JakeBarkings Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 471 Senior Member	Assalâmu 'Alaykum akhî, It might be that he is among those who believed that he made repentance, it is known in Ibn Taymiyyah's books that he believes Allâh Most High has a place. If Imâm 'Aliy al-Qâri makes takfîr upon one who attributes place to Allâh Most High then it is highly possible that he believed that Ibn Taymiyyah repented. Akhî, whether ithbât or ta'wîl is not important regarding this, the important thing is that he is against attributing direction, place, limit etc. to Allâh Most High. Ibn Taymiyyah attributed place and direction to Allâh Most High. BarakAllâhu fîkum I think this is an issue that needs to be investigated. We also have the following quote: Ibn Taymiyya - one of the Hanbalîs - committed excess when he declared it prohibited to travel to visit the Prophet just as other than him also committed excess saying that it is obligatory in the Religion to know that the Visitation is an act that draws near to Allâh (qurba) and whoever denies it is judged to be a disbeliever (kâfir). Yet the latter view is probably closer to being correct than the first, because to declare prohibited something the Ulema by Consensus declared desirable (mustahabb), is disbelief. For it is graver than to declare prohibited something agreed to be merely permitted (mubâh.) Al-Qârî, Sharh. al-Shifâ' (2:514). Reported here: http://www.livingislam.org/n/itay_e.html#fn-27
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