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**Kafuuil** · 07-07-2011, 02:43 PM

I agree with (Muslims expert in the field) quoting from today's "Bible" in order to point out irregularities when dealing with christians or jews; what I have problem with is in using some quotes from that book to "prove" the truth of Islam.

That too what i am also concerned about. We don't need Bible for guidance. Also the post by Usama2 is very informative,

translation of Quran 7:162:

"But the transgressors among them [bani israel] changed the word from that which had been given them so we sent on them a plague from heaven. For that they repeatedly transgressed"

Ibn Abbas (rh) commented on this ayah:

("But those of them who did wrong") the sinning people (changed the word which had been told them for another saying) they were commanded to say " hittah [there is no deity except Allah; or as in the other meaning: forgive our sins " ] but instead said " hintah [wheat] " , (and We sent down upon them wrath from heaven) We sent upon them the plague from heaven (for their wrong-doing) for changing what they were commanded to say.

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah

Umar ibn al-Khattab brought to Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) a copy of the Torah and said:
"Allah's Messenger, this is a copy of the Torah". He (Allah's Messenger) kept quiet and he (Umar) began to read it. The (colour) of the face of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) underwent a change, whereupon AbuBakr said: "Would that your mother mourn you, don't
you see the face of Allah's Messenger?"

Umar saw the face of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and said: "I seek refuge with Allah from the wrath of Allah and the wrath of His Messenger. We are well pleased with Allah
as Lord, with Islam as religion, and with Muhammad as Prophet. "

Whereupon Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: "By Him in Whose hand is the life of
Muhammad, even if Moses were to appear before you and you were to follow him, leaving me aside, you would certainly stray into error; for if (Moses) were alive (now), and he found my prophetical ministry, he would have definitely followed me."

Transmitted by Darimi.

There are many verses of misguidance in the bible about fundamental beliefs in Islam of which there is NO DOUBT and of which doubt is bad.
Misguidance about Allah, about the prophets and angels, about the books of revelation. about believers. Its simply untenable for a believer to accept the bible as a integral source of guidance or spiritual study. Allah (SWT) said in many parts of the Quran how Bani Israel changed the recorded texts of the Torah and Injeel, even in the presence of the prophets (as) themselves.
Laa qadara Allah.

For Dawah purposes which include intellectual analysis by dawah carriers, there are ways of studying the bible. But it should be by those who are learned.

As a former Christian, there were too many times when I read the bible and found believe in God only for the next verses to spew kufr and doubt about God and his prophets (as). I cannot repeat the lies spewed forth about prophets of Allah in the bible as they anger me to no end.

And as if the priests and rabbis who recorded and studied the bible (torah and injeel) are a reliable source as they repeatedly defied the prophets of Allah, conspired against them, even fought and killed them.

How then can believers take that legacy and accept it for guidance?

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Kafuuil Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 381 Senior Member	I agree with (Muslims expert in the field) quoting from today's "Bible" in order to point out irregularities when dealing with christians or jews; what I have problem with is in using some quotes from that book to "prove" the truth of Islam. That too what i am also concerned about. We don't need Bible for guidance. Also the post by Usama2 is very informative, translation of Quran 7:162: "But the transgressors among them [bani israel] changed the word from that which had been given them so we sent on them a plague from heaven. For that they repeatedly transgressed" Ibn Abbas (rh) commented on this ayah: ("*But those of them who did wrong") the sinning people (changed the word which had been told them for another saying) they were commanded to say " hittah [there is no deity except Allah; or as in the other meaning: forgive our sins " ] but instead said " hintah [wheat] " , (and We sent down upon them wrath from heaven) We sent upon them the plague from heaven (for their wrong-doing*) for changing what they were commanded to say. Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah Umar ibn al-Khattab brought to Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) a copy of the Torah and said: "Allah's Messenger, this is a copy of the Torah". He (Allah's Messenger) kept quiet and he (Umar) began to read it. The (colour) of the face of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) underwent a change, whereupon AbuBakr said: "Would that your mother mourn you, don't you see the face of Allah's Messenger?" Umar saw the face of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and said: "I seek refuge with Allah from the wrath of Allah and the wrath of His Messenger. We are well pleased with Allah as Lord, with Islam as religion, and with Muhammad as Prophet. " Whereupon Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: "By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, even if Moses were to appear before you and you were to follow him, leaving me aside, you would certainly stray into error; for if (Moses) were alive (now), and he found my prophetical ministry, he would have definitely followed me." Transmitted by Darimi. There are many verses of misguidance in the bible about fundamental beliefs in Islam of which there is NO DOUBT and of which doubt is bad. Misguidance about Allah, about the prophets and angels, about the books of revelation. about believers. Its simply untenable for a believer to accept the bible as a integral source of guidance or spiritual study. Allah (SWT) said in many parts of the Quran how Bani Israel changed the recorded texts of the Torah and Injeel, even in the presence of the prophets (as) themselves. Laa qadara Allah. For Dawah purposes which include intellectual analysis by dawah carriers, there are ways of studying the bible. But it should be by those who are learned. As a former Christian, there were too many times when I read the bible and found believe in God only for the next verses to spew kufr and doubt about God and his prophets (as). I cannot repeat the lies spewed forth about prophets of Allah in the bible as they anger me to no end. And as if the priests and rabbis who recorded and studied the bible (torah and injeel) are a reliable source as they repeatedly defied the prophets of Allah, conspired against them, even fought and killed them. How then can believers take that legacy and accept it for guidance?
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