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**amehoubFomo** · 08-21-2010, 09:29 AM

The latest plot of "Qadianis" is that they confron the Muslims with the verses of the Holy Quran. When we go to our ulama, even they are not able to reply satisfactorily. For example, a qadiani said to me that as per the verse 16:20,21 all those who are called beside Allah are dead and it is well known that Hadhrat Isa (pbuh) is also called beside Allah. It means that he is also dead. When I went to Imam of our mosque he was unable to respond. Can any scholar at this forum help me to solve this problem?

First of all you are correct that they confront people with the verses of the Quran, and they deceive people using this technique. You have to trap him with a lot of questions and you will start to hear rubbish spew out of his mouth as he will begin to contradict himself. Please do not let him go free as he will go and confuse our brothers and sisters that are less aware of deen.

The verse is the following:
20.Those whom they (al-mushrikun) invoke besides Allah have not created anything, but they are themselves created.
21.(They are) dead, not alive; and they know not when they will be raised up.

1-This verse is not made for the interpretation he used if he contacted tafseers and mufasirs he would have knew that. If we all do what he did we could take out interpretations to prove any point we wished.
2-For arguments sake AT this moment shaytan is alive people are directly worshipping him.
In Musas (as) time people worshipped pirhoan he was alive at that time
If we do research maybe there might be some people who still worship other people WHILST LIVING
3-there is already a verse that states Isa(AS)is alive Why use another verse of Quran to refute the verse that is already there in the quraan?

Ask him on his belief about Isa (Alayhiwasalam) (ASK HIM THE QUESTION AND MAKE SURE HE STATES HIS ACTUAL BELIEF THEN BEGIN TO TACKLE HIM) ie
1.Does he believe that he died on the cross? Then what about Surat 4 v157/158 (see below)
2.Does he believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani was Isa(as); the same person that claimed to be a nabi, rasool, Muhammad (sallahualayhiwasalam) himself, Maryam, then became pregnant with Isa(naozubillah) and then he himself was Isa. He went on to call himself god as well as other things
3.Or does he believe that he migrated to Kashmir and died?
if it is no 2 and 3 then why is he using this verse as he believed that Isa (as) was alive at some point?

Ask that person does he deny the Surat 4 ayah 157/158?

157.And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:

158.But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.

AN ALIM WHO IS IN THE FIELD OF KHATMENUBUWWAT WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER SUCH QUESTIONS MORE CONCISELY IF U CONTACT ME I WILL PUT U TROUGH AN ALIM(INSHALLAH)
which city do u live in?

08-21-2010, 09:29 AM	#14
amehoubFomo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	The latest plot of "Qadianis" is that they confron the Muslims with the verses of the Holy Quran. When we go to our ulama, even they are not able to reply satisfactorily. For example, a qadiani said to me that as per the verse 16:20,21 all those who are called beside Allah are dead and it is well known that Hadhrat Isa (pbuh) is also called beside Allah. It means that he is also dead. When I went to Imam of our mosque he was unable to respond. Can any scholar at this forum help me to solve this problem? First of all you are correct that they confront people with the verses of the Quran, and they deceive people using this technique. You have to trap him with a lot of questions and you will start to hear rubbish spew out of his mouth as he will begin to contradict himself. Please do not let him go free as he will go and confuse our brothers and sisters that are less aware of deen. The verse is the following: 20.Those whom they (al-mushrikun) invoke besides Allah have not created anything, but they are themselves created. 21.(They are) dead, not alive; and they know not when they will be raised up. 1-This verse is not made for the interpretation he used if he contacted tafseers and mufasirs he would have knew that. If we all do what he did we could take out interpretations to prove any point we wished. 2-For arguments sake AT this moment shaytan is alive people are directly worshipping him. In Musas (as) time people worshipped pirhoan he was alive at that time If we do research maybe there might be some people who still worship other people WHILST LIVING 3-there is already a verse that states Isa(AS)is alive Why use another verse of Quran to refute the verse that is already there in the quraan? Ask him on his belief about Isa (Alayhiwasalam) (ASK HIM THE QUESTION AND MAKE SURE HE STATES HIS ACTUAL BELIEF THEN BEGIN TO TACKLE HIM) ie 1.Does he believe that he died on the cross? Then what about Surat 4 v157/158 (see below) 2.Does he believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani was Isa(as); the same person that claimed to be a nabi, rasool, Muhammad (sallahualayhiwasalam) himself, Maryam, then became pregnant with Isa(naozubillah) and then he himself was Isa. He went on to call himself god as well as other things 3.Or does he believe that he migrated to Kashmir and died? if it is no 2 and 3 then why is he using this verse as he believed that Isa (as) was alive at some point? Ask that person does he deny the Surat 4 ayah 157/158? 157.And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]: 158.But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. AN ALIM WHO IS IN THE FIELD OF KHATMENUBUWWAT WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER SUCH QUESTIONS MORE CONCISELY IF U CONTACT ME I WILL PUT U TROUGH AN ALIM(INSHALLAH) which city do u live in?
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