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**glagoliska** · 03-18-2009, 11:11 PM

Dont most Shia believe in the Kalmiah, Isnt that enough to make them closer to us than the Kafir?

Im asking this because Sadly The Iranian Government is closer to the Islamic groups fighting all over the world and they usually help them with arms etc and they are the only Government not useless and controlled by the west.

There are sects in Islam who beleive in views which are in absolute contrast to Islam but they also recite the Kalimah e.g. Lahori Qadiyanees...They believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani who professed to be Prophet (thus a Kaafir) is a Mujtahid Imam (who can change Shariah)

Lahorees recite the same Kalima but are Kaffirs.

Certain sects of Durooz (from Lebanon) also recite the Kalimah but they also believe that Shariah ONLY become applicable after 40 and they also believe in Imams (who can change Shariah), thus are also Kaafir.

I am only summarising basic things because there is much more as to why they are Kaafir.

So reciting the Kalima isn't enough.

In the movie Quli (1983) Amitabh Bachan also recited the Kalima when he is being shot out on top of the Mazar (shrine) by taking a loose definition we will also have to cosider Amitabh Bachan Muslim

03-18-2009, 11:11 PM	#2
glagoliska Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 372 Senior Member	Dont most Shia believe in the Kalmiah, Isnt that enough to make them closer to us than the Kafir? Im asking this because Sadly The Iranian Government is closer to the Islamic groups fighting all over the world and they usually help them with arms etc and they are the only Government not useless and controlled by the west. There are sects in Islam who beleive in views which are in absolute contrast to Islam but they also recite the Kalimah e.g. Lahori Qadiyanees...They believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani who professed to be Prophet (thus a Kaafir) is a Mujtahid Imam (who can change Shariah) Lahorees recite the same Kalima but are Kaffirs. Certain sects of Durooz (from Lebanon) also recite the Kalimah but they also believe that Shariah ONLY become applicable after 40 and they also believe in Imams (who can change Shariah), thus are also Kaafir. I am only summarising basic things because there is much more as to why they are Kaafir. So reciting the Kalima isn't enough. In the movie Quli (1983) Amitabh Bachan also recited the Kalima when he is being shot out on top of the Mazar (shrine) by taking a loose definition we will also have to cosider Amitabh Bachan Muslim
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