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**Tjfyojlg** · 03-19-2009, 02:51 AM

Dont most Shia believe in the Kalmiah, Isnt that enough to make them closer to us than the Kafir?

Im asking this because Sadly The Iranian Government is closer to the Islamic groups fighting all over the world and they usually help them with arms etc and they are the only Government not useless and controlled by the west.

Iran like any other government has it's interests and has its Racial problems But you should all know that Iran is not ruled by one Man like Saudi or Egypt, in Iran each group is living in its own world for example the Revolutionary Guard has it's Politics, Religious leaders have thier own Politics and several views, Ahmadi Nijad is in a different planet with different politics, The Ministers have thier own thing as well.
And while Iran's policy might Have a good policy in some countries like Lebanon In others it might have a different Policy besides The Leaders are Split and Iran as a government does not have complete control over many Shiite militias...
However it cannot be Denied that they Have ADOPTED the policy of resistance Simply because the Arena was Clear, in other words No arab Country assumed that Role so Iran took the Chance and that is only Logical as it also helps advertise for the Persian Islamic Revolution.
I cannot deny the fact that Iran was and still is Aiding Everysingle Sunni Fundamentalist Armed resistance from HAMAS to Jihad islami to Al Tawheed to Jabha Islamiyah... So they are strebghtening all who oppose Israel and America in that region..
As for my experience with the Shiites I'm living in Dubai and at the moment my bestFreind is a Shiite and they are split into three groups The First group Hates The Sahaba and the Sunnah and repeat nonesense Propagandas because they have been brainwashed to do so and they have no idea what they are doing, so basically this is a group of Ignorants that can be Found Mainly in Iraq and they just repeat what thier parents have told them when they were children without looking into it, but these guys are not to be considered Kuffar because many of them Don't even Curse the Sahaba or pray for Graves or anything of that sorts but they stil beleive in some "stories".
Second Group are the Shiite propagandists and these are usually extremists that can be found in any religion and they spread hate and False Stories while fully knowing what they are doing at some points, These can be Considered kuffar from my point of view Only if they Make Takfir on the Sahaba or the sunnah or Denounce he Quran or Pray to Graves or Say that the Imamah is Higher than Prophethood...
Third group is a correctional movment which is spreading pretty fast amongst thier ranks, They do not hate the Sahaba and hold nothing against them, Some ofthem Complement the Sahaba and Talk positively about Omar and Abu Bakr and accept the Fact that Ali and Jafaar have named thierChildren after the Sahaba and that sunnah and shiites are brothers in Islam and thse guys are welcomed by many Educted sunnah from the Otherside such as Qaradawi ... Basically these Guys are in no Way Kuffar or enemies in fact Some of them are closer to sunnah than ur average classic Shiite (BTW these guys are found in very large numbers today thus we cannot includethem in Takfir at all).

Anyway we should welcome the Shiites with open arms as long as there is no Cursing becaus the rest of the stuff is irrelevant when compared to cursing and Even if they don't convert to the sunni path yet Many of them will leave the old extrmist ways and start to become moderate muslims Whereas if we Shun them and Isolate tem they will Increase in Ghulu and Extremism.

From a political Point of view IRAN and TURKIYA are Irrepleceable allies and Our Dumb Leaders should know how to deal with them propely and not create more illusionary enemies BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE ENEMY AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

03-19-2009, 02:51 AM	#9
Tjfyojlg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 405 Senior Member	Dont most Shia believe in the Kalmiah, Isnt that enough to make them closer to us than the Kafir? Im asking this because Sadly The Iranian Government is closer to the Islamic groups fighting all over the world and they usually help them with arms etc and they are the only Government not useless and controlled by the west. Iran like any other government has it's interests and has its Racial problems But you should all know that Iran is not ruled by one Man like Saudi or Egypt, in Iran each group is living in its own world for example the Revolutionary Guard has it's Politics, Religious leaders have thier own Politics and several views, Ahmadi Nijad is in a different planet with different politics, The Ministers have thier own thing as well. And while Iran's policy might Have a good policy in some countries like Lebanon In others it might have a different Policy besides The Leaders are Split and Iran as a government does not have complete control over many Shiite militias... However it cannot be Denied that they Have ADOPTED the policy of resistance Simply because the Arena was Clear, in other words No arab Country assumed that Role so Iran took the Chance and that is only Logical as it also helps advertise for the Persian Islamic Revolution. I cannot deny the fact that Iran was and still is Aiding Everysingle Sunni Fundamentalist Armed resistance from HAMAS to Jihad islami to Al Tawheed to Jabha Islamiyah... So they are strebghtening all who oppose Israel and America in that region.. As for my experience with the Shiites I'm living in Dubai and at the moment my bestFreind is a Shiite and they are split into three groups The First group Hates The Sahaba and the Sunnah and repeat nonesense Propagandas because they have been brainwashed to do so and they have no idea what they are doing, so basically this is a group of Ignorants that can be Found Mainly in Iraq and they just repeat what thier parents have told them when they were children without looking into it, but these guys are not to be considered Kuffar because many of them Don't even Curse the Sahaba or pray for Graves or anything of that sorts but they stil beleive in some "stories". Second Group are the Shiite propagandists and these are usually extremists that can be found in any religion and they spread hate and False Stories while fully knowing what they are doing at some points, These can be Considered kuffar from my point of view Only if they Make Takfir on the Sahaba or the sunnah or Denounce he Quran or Pray to Graves or Say that the Imamah is Higher than Prophethood... Third group is a correctional movment which is spreading pretty fast amongst thier ranks, They do not hate the Sahaba and hold nothing against them, Some ofthem Complement the Sahaba and Talk positively about Omar and Abu Bakr and accept the Fact that Ali and Jafaar have named thierChildren after the Sahaba and that sunnah and shiites are brothers in Islam and thse guys are welcomed by many Educted sunnah from the Otherside such as Qaradawi ... Basically these Guys are in no Way Kuffar or enemies in fact Some of them are closer to sunnah than ur average classic Shiite (BTW these guys are found in very large numbers today thus we cannot includethem in Takfir at all). Anyway we should welcome the Shiites with open arms as long as there is no Cursing becaus the rest of the stuff is irrelevant when compared to cursing and Even if they don't convert to the sunni path yet Many of them will leave the old extrmist ways and start to become moderate muslims Whereas if we Shun them and Isolate tem they will Increase in Ghulu and Extremism. From a political Point of view IRAN and TURKIYA are Irrepleceable allies and Our Dumb Leaders should know how to deal with them propely and not create more illusionary enemies BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE ENEMY AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT.
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