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**EmpaccalGah** · 06-24-2011, 10:19 AM

What I understand:

1) The basis of truth in Islam, is the Quran.
2) Its truth can confirmed by nature of man agreeing with it.

So would you say, man would naturally agree with the Quran. (I'll have to go back and read it with this in mind)

However it appears the nature man does not necessarily agree with the interpretation of the Quran. As is evident with the various sects of Islam, although agreeing with the Quran, seem to disagree with its understanding. If true...

How do you determine what is true from among the different sects? Who is right?

Let me also address the issue of "Absolute truth" which you raised in your first post in my reply here.
We as humans have to make our assertions in the light of the social circumstances present among us as we don't have any other paradigm of reality existing around us which we can completely conceptualize.
Lets take the example of the act of murder which is unanimously accepted by all the human societies as a crime of high degree which warrants a severe punishment. I really don't have to read the "American code of law" to reach the conclusion that murder is a crime as it is in my very nature that i believe that it is a crime and it should be punished. However , if i read the book of "American code of law" i would be able to read the details of how for the formation of a good society , the presence of an absolute judge is necessary and i will absorb the idea of crime and punishment in a better way.
Same goes for Quran. It is in you very nature that you will agree with it but to ascertain the details you will have to read it. I am talking about the text of Quran , not the interpretation.
Again , i will give you the example of American law which is present in a written form. Despite the fact that they have a written law , countless murderers are fighting their cases in the court though they have actually committed the murders. Does the arguments extracted by the lawyers of these murderers from the written books of law nullify the crime or prove that the American law is a conjecture which can be twisted towards any side? Does it prove that the American law makes the actual murderer and a falsely accused of murder stand in the same row as both of them are fighting their case on a written?
I can guide you towards "Who is right with in the various sects of Islam" if you accept that Islam is the true religion. In the absence of that , discussing it will become a wrong methodology adopted to ascertain the truth which i have mentioned in my earlier post.

06-24-2011, 10:19 AM	#4
EmpaccalGah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 410 Senior Member	What I understand: 1) The basis of truth in Islam, is the Quran. 2) Its truth can confirmed by nature of man agreeing with it. So would you say, man would naturally agree with the Quran. (I'll have to go back and read it with this in mind) However it appears the nature man does not necessarily agree with the interpretation of the Quran. As is evident with the various sects of Islam, although agreeing with the Quran, seem to disagree with its understanding. If true... How do you determine what is true from among the different sects? Who is right? Let me also address the issue of "Absolute truth" which you raised in your first post in my reply here. We as humans have to make our assertions in the light of the social circumstances present among us as we don't have any other paradigm of reality existing around us which we can completely conceptualize. Lets take the example of the act of murder which is unanimously accepted by all the human societies as a crime of high degree which warrants a severe punishment. I really don't have to read the "American code of law" to reach the conclusion that murder is a crime as it is in my very nature that i believe that it is a crime and it should be punished. However , if i read the book of "American code of law" i would be able to read the details of how for the formation of a good society , the presence of an absolute judge is necessary and i will absorb the idea of crime and punishment in a better way. Same goes for Quran. It is in you very nature that you will agree with it but to ascertain the details you will have to read it. I am talking about the text of Quran , not the interpretation. Again , i will give you the example of American law which is present in a written form. Despite the fact that they have a written law , countless murderers are fighting their cases in the court though they have actually committed the murders. Does the arguments extracted by the lawyers of these murderers from the written books of law nullify the crime or prove that the American law is a conjecture which can be twisted towards any side? Does it prove that the American law makes the actual murderer and a falsely accused of murder stand in the same row as both of them are fighting their case on a written? I can guide you towards "Who is right with in the various sects of Islam" if you accept that Islam is the true religion. In the absence of that , discussing it will become a wrong methodology adopted to ascertain the truth which i have mentioned in my earlier post.
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