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**WeestDype** · 01-03-2008, 06:33 PM

i will reccomend you to read Shaikh Muhammed Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani's works about the prayer of the prophet (s.a.w) also read fiqh us sunna by shiekh syed sabbiq inshallah this should help you a great deal.

Asslamo Allaikum Dear Respected Brother in Islam,

I love you for the sake of Allah (SWT) and you are my brother in Islam, Insha'Allah.

1) If you choose to do Taqleed-Shakhsi of Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) then you are welcome to follow an opinion which has no basis in the Qur'aan & Sunnah i.e. Allah (SWT) has commanded me to follow Ulama and NOT stick to one scholar from the twentith century and make him the basis of my Islam.

2) Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)'s book is refuted by his contemporaries and fellow Salafees:

a) Here is refutation by Hamud al-Tuwayjiri's (Shaykh Bin-Baaz's student) refutation on al-Albani's (RA) Sifatus Salah

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3558

b) Here is refutation by Shaykh Uthaymeen (RA) about various positions within al-Albani's (RA) Sifatus Salah

About joining ankle-to-ankle:

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/anklshyuth.htm

About Tashahudd:

The Shaykh Faqeeh Muhammed Ibn Saalih Al-Uthaymeen discusses this issue in his highly beneficial book 'Ash-Sharh Al-Mumti: 3/150-151.

His words can be summarised in the following:

a. Saying: 'Assalaamu Alayka’ in the Tashahhud is not the same as when the people convey salaams to one another, as if this was the case the prayer would be null and void, because all human speech is prohibited in the prayer.

b. The companions used to say in the Tashahhud: 'Assalaamu Alayka' and the Prophet (Salla Allaahu ‘Alayhi was Salam) would be in one land and they in another.

c. As for the narration found in Bukhari upon the authority of Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood; 'That they used to say after the death of the Prophet (Salla Allaahu ‘Alayhi was Salam), ‘Assalaamu 'Alan Nabiyy', then this is considered his ijtihaad, which was opposed by someone of greater knowledge than him, none other than 'Umar ibn Al-Khattaab.

It is reported that 'Umar gave a sermon whilst upon the minbar of the Prophet (Salla Allaahu ‘Alayhi was Salam), saying in his Tashahhud:
'Assalaamu Alayka Ayyuhan Nabiyy'. This is reported by Malik in Muwatta with one of the most authentic chains of narrations. 'Umar said this in the presence of the companions and they accepted this.

So again you are welcome to follow an opinion which is weak and refuted by Shaykh (RA)'s contemporaries and against the Jamhoor of the Ummah;

3) Your post contains contradiction i.e. Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)'s book on Salah & & Fiqhus-Sunnah disagree on many parts, if you choose to debate please start a new thread and lets go over the whole thing, Insha'Allah for your benefit without having any hard feelings.

4) Habibi! Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) himself REFUTED Fiqhus-Sunnah in a book called, “Tamaam ul-Minnah Fit-Ta'liq alaa Fiqh us-Sunnah”, English translation by Brother Dawud Burbank and it is available in English languages as “Notes on Fiqhus-Sunnah of as-Sayyid Sabiq”; I will simply quote the beginning as,

Note: References to page no’s are to the English translation of Muhammad Sa’eed Dabas and Jamalud-Deen M. Zarabozo

Volume One
(43) P. vi "This book deals with the fiqh questions and provides supporting evidence to them from the clear [text of the] Book (of Allaah), and the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet, sallallaahu ’alaihi wa sallaam." This is a claim true for the most part, however the book does contain many weak (Da’eef) ahaadeeth – some of which he remained silent about, and the others he thought to be saheeh or hasan – following others in that and being mistaken therein. And it contains more than a few questions for which he does not mention a proof – rather for some of them, the proof is against them. And this will be more fully explained in its correct places inshaa-Allaah.

Please search on google and read it yourself, Insha'Allah.

I prefer to follow the Salaf and the Kabair of Ulama of Islam as opposed to Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) and no disrespect intended to the Shaykh (RA) and may Allah (SWT) reward him in this world and the next for his service to his Deen.

P.S: By combining Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) book and Fiqhus-Sunnah in one post, it is clear that you are in a confused state of mind.

01-03-2008, 06:33 PM	#21
WeestDype Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	i will reccomend you to read Shaikh Muhammed Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani's works about the prayer of the prophet (s.a.w) also read fiqh us sunna by shiekh syed sabbiq inshallah this should help you a great deal. Asslamo Allaikum Dear Respected Brother in Islam, I love you for the sake of Allah (SWT) and you are my brother in Islam, Insha'Allah. 1) If you choose to do Taqleed-Shakhsi of Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) then you are welcome to follow an opinion which has no basis in the Qur'aan & Sunnah i.e. Allah (SWT) has commanded me to follow Ulama and NOT stick to one scholar from the twentith century and make him the basis of my Islam. 2) Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)'s book is refuted by his contemporaries and fellow Salafees: a) Here is refutation by Hamud al-Tuwayjiri's (Shaykh Bin-Baaz's student) refutation on al-Albani's (RA) Sifatus Salah http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3558 b) Here is refutation by Shaykh Uthaymeen (RA) about various positions within al-Albani's (RA) Sifatus Salah About joining ankle-to-ankle: http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/anklshyuth.htm About Tashahudd: The Shaykh Faqeeh Muhammed Ibn Saalih Al-Uthaymeen discusses this issue in his highly beneficial book 'Ash-Sharh Al-Mumti: 3/150-151. His words can be summarised in the following: a. Saying: 'Assalaamu Alayka’ in the Tashahhud is not the same as when the people convey salaams to one another, as if this was the case the prayer would be null and void, because all human speech is prohibited in the prayer. b. The companions used to say in the Tashahhud: 'Assalaamu Alayka' and the Prophet (Salla Allaahu ‘Alayhi was Salam) would be in one land and they in another. c. As for the narration found in Bukhari upon the authority of Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood; 'That they used to say after the death of the Prophet (Salla Allaahu ‘Alayhi was Salam), ‘Assalaamu 'Alan Nabiyy', then this is considered his ijtihaad, which was opposed by someone of greater knowledge than him, none other than 'Umar ibn Al-Khattaab. It is reported that 'Umar gave a sermon whilst upon the minbar of the Prophet (Salla Allaahu ‘Alayhi was Salam), saying in his Tashahhud: 'Assalaamu Alayka Ayyuhan Nabiyy'. This is reported by Malik in Muwatta with one of the most authentic chains of narrations. 'Umar said this in the presence of the companions and they accepted this. So again you are welcome to follow an opinion which is weak and refuted by Shaykh (RA)'s contemporaries and against the Jamhoor of the Ummah; 3) Your post contains contradiction i.e. Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)'s book on Salah & & Fiqhus-Sunnah disagree on many parts, if you choose to debate please start a new thread and lets go over the whole thing, Insha'Allah for your benefit without having any hard feelings. 4) Habibi! Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) himself REFUTED Fiqhus-Sunnah in a book called, “Tamaam ul-Minnah Fit-Ta'liq alaa Fiqh us-Sunnah”, English translation by Brother Dawud Burbank and it is available in English languages as “Notes on Fiqhus-Sunnah of as-Sayyid Sabiq”; I will simply quote the beginning as, Note: References to page no’s are to the English translation of Muhammad Sa’eed Dabas and Jamalud-Deen M. Zarabozo Volume One (43) P. vi "This book deals with the fiqh questions and provides supporting evidence to them from the clear [text of the] Book (of Allaah), and the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet, sallallaahu ’alaihi wa sallaam." This is a claim true for the most part, however the book does contain many weak (Da’eef) ahaadeeth – some of which he remained silent about, and the others he thought to be saheeh or hasan – following others in that and being mistaken therein. And it contains more than a few questions for which he does not mention a proof – rather for some of them, the proof is against them. And this will be more fully explained in its correct places inshaa-Allaah. Please search on google and read it yourself, Insha'Allah. I prefer to follow the Salaf and the Kabair of Ulama of Islam as opposed to Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) and no disrespect intended to the Shaykh (RA) and may Allah (SWT) reward him in this world and the next for his service to his Deen. P.S: By combining Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) book and Fiqhus-Sunnah in one post, it is clear that you are in a confused state of mind.
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