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**JonDopl** · 12-08-2010, 04:00 AM

welcome back mundo saheb. Your point does not really make sense. You are saying that a fake shaykh will restrict one to loud zikr. Well I have news for you. There have been many people in history whose lataif have been activated just by loud zikr...what do you have to say about that? These kind of azkaar are prescriptions and vary from individual to individual. Name me 1 shaykh in history who said pas anfaas can be done without the permission of a shaykh. It is not like saying Subhanallah, ALLAH hu akbar etc...A shaykh once said to me...the sunnah azkaar are like vitamins i.e. can be utilized by anybody but the azkaar and ashgaal of the sufiya like pas anfaas, habs dams, zikr qalbi, muraqabahs etc are like medicine and can only be prescribed.

Please tell me where you got the proof that pas anfaas is the method utilized by the highest ranking sufis in history? Actually the preferred method utilized by the mashaikh varied......yes some utilized pas anfaas, others utilized zikr qalbi with no focus on the breath but the sole focus was the heart etc etc....

Please look at dalail us sulook under the chapter "zikr"

Oral zikr is only words. Generally, words are not sufficient to give the necessary tawajjuh to illuminate ones lataif. I say generally because they are exceptions but they are very rare and only happen to odd 1 or 2 people. Very very very rare.

Zikr e qalbi is for everyone and its order is in the quran. Quran addresses all muslims. I posted the verse earlier.

Muraqqabba is Allahs gift to someone. He gives it to whome HE wills. He knows when some1 is ready for it.

Zikr is more than medicine. It is like food itself. Gives ur Imaan strength. Food is not given to selective people but is the need of every muslim.

12-08-2010, 04:00 AM	#12
JonDopl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	welcome back mundo saheb. Your point does not really make sense. You are saying that a fake shaykh will restrict one to loud zikr. Well I have news for you. There have been many people in history whose lataif have been activated just by loud zikr...what do you have to say about that? These kind of azkaar are prescriptions and vary from individual to individual. Name me 1 shaykh in history who said pas anfaas can be done without the permission of a shaykh. It is not like saying Subhanallah, ALLAH hu akbar etc...A shaykh once said to me...the sunnah azkaar are like vitamins i.e. can be utilized by anybody but the azkaar and ashgaal of the sufiya like pas anfaas, habs dams, zikr qalbi, muraqabahs etc are like medicine and can only be prescribed. Please tell me where you got the proof that pas anfaas is the method utilized by the highest ranking sufis in history? Actually the preferred method utilized by the mashaikh varied......yes some utilized pas anfaas, others utilized zikr qalbi with no focus on the breath but the sole focus was the heart etc etc.... Please look at dalail us sulook under the chapter "zikr" Oral zikr is only words. Generally, words are not sufficient to give the necessary tawajjuh to illuminate ones lataif. I say generally because they are exceptions but they are very rare and only happen to odd 1 or 2 people. Very very very rare. Zikr e qalbi is for everyone and its order is in the quran. Quran addresses all muslims. I posted the verse earlier. Muraqqabba is Allahs gift to someone. He gives it to whome HE wills. He knows when some1 is ready for it. Zikr is more than medicine. It is like food itself. Gives ur Imaan strength. Food is not given to selective people but is the need of every muslim.
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